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t's been a while, but Pa. GOP primary actually matters
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 5/20 | Thomas Fitzgerald, Justine McDaniel, and Jill Castellano

Posted on 03/22/2016 7:40:57 AM PDT by HamiltonJay

At some point after 8 p.m. on April 26, the cable TV networks will display a check mark next to the picture and name of the Republican presidential candidate who got the most votes in Pennsylvania - Ted Cruz, John Kasich, or Donald Trump. This time, plenty of people will be paying attention. Usually, the Pennsylvania primary comes long after the suspense has left the presidential race. But the primary is poised to have an impact this year, because the math makes it virtually impossible for Trump, the GOP front-runner, to win enough delegates to wrap up the nomination beforehand.

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gopdelegates; padelegates; paping; paprimary
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Basically a good snapshot of PA, democrats fed up with Obama and switching for Trump... and the fact that district delegates are unbound and provide no indication on the ballot of who they support.

If there is a state that will throw this thing, PA is a place where the machine will happily hand it away.

1 posted on 03/22/2016 7:40:57 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
I live 40 miles SW of Pittsburgh .. Allegheny county ... the OTHER filthydelphia

I am not in contact with anyone that lives there, so I have no inside skinny on what the attitude is, but in the past, Philly and Pitts have been THE vote for Peannsylvania

2 posted on 03/22/2016 7:44:53 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: HamiltonJay

Well, good. I*ll vote for Trump.


3 posted on 03/22/2016 7:44:58 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Hunga Tonga-Hunga.)
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To: HamiltonJay

I’m looking forward to voting for Mr. Trump in the PA primary.


4 posted on 03/22/2016 7:45:43 AM PDT by Ciexyz ("You know who gets hurt? The people who worked hard, lived frugally, and saved their money." - Trump)
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To: HamiltonJay
This thread and my reply is the most comprehensive analysis I've seen to date on the actual delegate count.

Love him or hate him, Trump pretty much has a majority of the delegates locked up. If he loses every other unpledged delegate available by the end of the primary season, he still only needs to win less than 36% of those available in just two places-- Pennsylvania and North Dakota. It is hard to see how that won't happen.

5 posted on 03/22/2016 7:49:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: HamiltonJay

Cruz has the PA Mormon vote locked up!


6 posted on 03/22/2016 7:56:20 AM PDT by Donglalinger
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To: HamiltonJay

“Folks such as Kevin R. Booth, 58, of Fort Washington. He switched to Republican, reasoning that the Democrats’ contest is all but over, and that he’ll vote for Kasich - to stop Trump.”

A bunch of liberal crossover voters that will vote for Trump in the primary, and Hillary in Nov!


7 posted on 03/22/2016 8:02:04 AM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: eCSMaster

This year even NM might count!


8 posted on 03/22/2016 8:04:45 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Donglalinger

But what about the amish?


9 posted on 03/22/2016 8:05:28 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: HamiltonJay

“Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in between.”

—James “Snakehead” Carville


10 posted on 03/22/2016 8:15:43 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: HamiltonJay; Vigilanteman; carriage_hill

“Then there’s Pennsylvania. In this state, there is something like a primary election (preference vote) but, for some reason, it doesn’t really count. In Pennsylvania, 54 of the 71 total delegates will be unbound. These delegates will be elected during the primary, according to Ballotpedia, and the RNC guide to the primaries states they’ll be elected specifically as unbound. Because…Pennsylvania?”

http://www.genfkd.com/unbound-delegates-explained
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“Pennsylvania’s primary contest is unlike others.

For years, the Keystone State primary has been a “preferential primary” – simply a beauty contest – and had no connection whatsoever to delegate selection.

It’s not winner-take-all. It’s not winner-take-most. It’s not even proportional.

The vast majority of Pennsylvania’s Republican delegates are technically “unbound” or “uncommitted.””

Pennsylvania GOP delegates would be at the center of any contested convention
http://blog.triblive.com/orp/2016/03/17/delegates-contested-convention/


11 posted on 03/22/2016 8:22:07 AM PDT by thouworm ("The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." --Orwell)
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This was the reason Reagan tapped R. Schweiker for V.P. in 1976: so many unbound delegates. But they were really bound to “Rudolph” Ford. “Unbound” was not quite the case.


12 posted on 03/22/2016 8:41:19 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: smoothsailing

Carville is really wrong here. PA is full of liberals everywhere; they are not the majority though in a few dozen counties. But with P&P, P is liberal and shall remain so.


13 posted on 03/22/2016 8:42:41 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: thouworm
You are quite correct. Salena Zito is a well-respected political analyst for our local paper, the Tribune-Review of Pittsburgh's suburbs which is now making in roads on the city itself. I know for a fact that she also lurks on Free Republic and occasionally posts.

There are only 14 (not 17) of our 71 delegates which will be chosen by our primary voters on April 26. Three are reserved for party big wigs. However, it is nearly impossible to see Trump not getting a decent share of the 54 (18 congressional districts x 3) elected on a district basis.

This is particularly true when considering today's events and the only primaries awarding at least 30 delegates to be held between now and then:

  1. Utah (40) and Arizona (58) today
  2. Wisconsin (42) on April 5
  3. New York (95) on April 19

Trump is heavily favored to win in three of the four. He will probably finish a very strong second place in Utah. With this type of momentum coming into Pennsylvania, it is hard to see him not winning here as well.

Everyone who is going to switch parties to vote in our primary will have to do so by the end of this week. At last count, that number was over 70,000 and most of those will be going for Trump.

So, yeah, even though he may not have it locked up by Pennsylvania, the momentum will most likely be irreversible by then.

14 posted on 03/22/2016 8:51:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: Theodore R.; Vigilanteman

“unbounded” PA delegates...live and learn.

Never before have I paid so much attention to states’ delegates, superdelegates, unbounded delegates; uncommitted delegates, delegate “math,” GOP convention rules and possibilities, etc., etc.

TY both


15 posted on 03/22/2016 9:19:20 AM PDT by thouworm ("The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." --Orwell)
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To: HamiltonJay

I’m in the big purple state and I talk to a whole lot of people every day. My take: there is no way whatsoever that Trump can lose PA in the primary.


16 posted on 03/22/2016 9:25:03 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: Vigilanteman
I've been in contact with all of my congresscritters, both state, {George Dunbar and Kim Ward} and Feds, Toomey and Murphy, and they all know my foul disposition and mouth for years, and they know that if any bullship goes on at the convention, and Trump gets screwed, I am holding them personally responsible.

They must take action to avoid the will of the voters from being negated, or pay the consequences and I know where they live.

17 posted on 03/22/2016 9:27:15 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: Beagle8U
A bunch of liberal crossover voters that will vote for Trump in the primary, and Hillary in Nov

There is very little enthusiasm for Hillary. Much for Trump. If she survives to November, it's Trump's to lose and he doesn't seem to have the knack of losing.

18 posted on 03/22/2016 9:28:51 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: Buttons12

I would be beyond shocked if Trump doesn’t win PA huge, in the Primary. Cruz’s blame Trump for the agitators makes him sound like a every North East Democrat that’s been around for the last 20 years.

Of course the unbound nature of the congressional district delegates makes it interesting, but I have no doubt Trump will take PA by a large margin.


19 posted on 03/22/2016 9:35:20 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Theodore R.

Philadelphia and the collar counties are the culprit. Pittsburgh and Allegheny county are barely a factor.


20 posted on 03/22/2016 10:01:57 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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