Posted on 02/23/2016 11:34:39 AM PST by Trumpinator
Here is part of my response on another thread, earlier today:
Incidentally, I consider Trump far more Conservative--as a personality--than all of those the Ricketts have contributed to, with the exception of Ted Cruz, who is as Conservative as I am, and thus a tad more Conservative than Donald Trump. Trump, on the other hand, is far more conservatively oriented than the shallow analysts understand. Indeed, the point that is missed, is this:
Up until recently, Trump was focused on great building ventures. He was not focused on political ventures--and preoccupied with building, only casually observed the political drama, comedy or tragedy. The former comments that keep being thrown at him, were simply relative small talk, considering his non-focus on the subject matter.
Now what does a great builder do? He starts with a conceived foundation--based on experience--and step by step, drawing on the architectural experiences of the ages, he builds the subject of his focus. This is a very clear metaphor for the source of American Conservatism--the step by step construction of a political society, by the descendants of the original settlers, who we call the Founding Fathers.
Trump would be a great deal more palatable if he mentioned the Constitution occasionally, talked about property rights and individual liberty. For added confidence, he could mention Locke, Montesquieu... but, thinking that too much to hope for, does not even reference Jefferson, Madison, Adams.
By Ronald Reagan in his autobiography An American Life
"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it. "Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything. I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: "I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average." If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."
““Pragmatism doesn’t work.†Look how well ‘Conservatism†has.”
Exactly conservatism does not work for conservatives, only for the country clubbers.
Who is Donald Trump?
A man who has had 3 marriages, 4 bankruptcies, and 6 changes of party registration, who boasts about his many conquests and affairs, some with married women, whose wife has published nude pictures?
A guy who’s gotten into public fights with Ted Cruz, George W. Bush, and the Pope, then backed down on all of them like the coward and wimp that he is.
Trump supported TARP and 0bama’s stimulus.
He was talking about giving illegals a path as recently as August and has supported a plan that is virtually identical to “touchback” amnesty.
He supports using eminent domain for private gain instead of public use.
His buildings have been built by illegal immigrant labor.
He supported radical Democrat mayor Bill (Warren Wilhelm) DeBlasio.
He called self-deportation ridiculous and offensive.
He has donated much more money to Democrats than Republicans.
In the first Republican debate last year, he praised socialized medicine; he now says he’ll cover everyone and “the government will pay for it†and if you don’t agree, you’re heartless.
He boosted his liberal pro-abort sister as an excellent choice for the Supreme Court.
He attacked Scalia for a ruling on affirmative action.
He called Pat Buchanan a “Hitler lover.”
He boasts about his many affairs, some with married women.
He threatens to sue people for disagreeing with him.
He says he’ll revoke 0bama’s executive orders, but “I’ll do good ones.”
He called Ben Carson a “psycopath” and a “child molester” and questioned Dr. Carson’s faith AND his personal history. He also questioned Ted Cruz’s faith. Then he got upset (rightfully) when the Pope questioned his faith.
He called Cruz a “maniac.”
Meanwhile, sitting with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, Trump blathered incoherent, solipsistic nonsense and even admitted (at a confused moment) that he supported the retention of the 0bamacare mandate.
The liberals can deal with Trump. He’s malleable. He says he can deal with Pelosi and Reid. Cruz will fight them tooth and nail and move the window in our direction as far as he can.
Government is all ready paying for it child. Has been since the 1960s. It is called Medicare.
There’s nothing wrong with being a pragmatist. In fact,
it may be just what we need.
Thanks, a good article. I read the thread and see the Cruz supporters here throwing out lies and posturing, no discussion at all.
It has gotten very difficult to discuss anything right now without this, maybe it will get better in another 30 days.
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Being a conservative purist in ideology does not make you competent. How many payrolls has Cruz met? What does he know about being an executive? As a govt employee for life, what does Cruz know of limited govt and the private sector for real?
The leftists couldn't have said it better.
And Sanders is the same - He sees problems, and he wants to fix them to HIS liking.
Trump is certainly a pragmatist. I hope HIS answers to fixing problems are what he has been saying the past three years while running for the Republican nomination - and NOT what he has said the rest of his adult life.
There will be similarities. Trump won’t like dealing with Congress or the people either. He will use authoritarian measures to achieve his goals... whatever they are.
You can have a pretty good idea by watching what he is doing to Cruz.
Many here will recoil from this truth but given the lies and broken promises of the so-called conservatives we have elected over the years, “conservative” has arguably become a pejorative.
What do they know about anything in the real world?
One of my fave lines from a movie is from Ghostbusters "I've *worked* in the private sector. They expect *results*"
If Cruz was my employee I would have fired him for being unproductive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzC1Dgh17A
Where is that logic when it comes to other (actual) Republican candidates?
A man who has had 3 marriages, 4 bankruptcies, and 6 changes of party registration, who boasts about his many conquests and affairs, some with married women, whose wife has published nude pictures?
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So Trump has lived a real life outside of the protected beltway? Gasp. Reagan was married only twice and changed party lines twice.
“One problem with a pragmatist is that they may turn on you as soon as it is pragmatic for them to do so.”
I think you mean will certainly turn on you as soon as it is pragmatic to do so.
“One problem with a pragmatist is that they may turn on you as soon as it is pragmatic for them to do so.”
Oh, you make an excellent point! because conservatives can’t do that, right? no. conservatives must remain true to their word. Like that ‘Tea Party’ Marco Rubio and his anti-amnesty position, one of the central promises of his campaign. It was he who became the front man for the Gang-of-Eight amnesty bill, was it? No it couldn’t have, because he’s a conservative!
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Outside of Dr. Carson, where is the logic in supporting GOP life time govt employees (Rubio, Kasich, Cruz) who claim they are for limited govt? Govt jobs for me but not for thee?
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