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Can We Judge the Christianity of Donald Trump?
Townhall.com ^ | February 20, 2016 | Michael Brown

Posted on 02/20/2016 6:08:39 AM PST by Kaslin

Donald Trump has challenged the Christianity of Ted Cruz while also raising questions about the nature of Ben Carson's faith. In the past, he also suggested that President Obama might be a Muslim rather than a Christian. Now, the Pope has questioned the Christianity of Trump.

It appears that what goes around, comes around.

Trump's immediate response was to call Pope Francis's comments "disgraceful" and to state that, "No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man's religion or faith."

So, Trump can question the faith of others but the Pope cannot question his?

In defense of Trump, Jerry Falwell, Jr., has stated that, "I have no doubts that he is a man of faith, that he's a Christian."

Welcome to the 2016 version of the presidential race, representing reality TV at its most unscripted and bizarre.

Two serious questions, though, are begging to be asked.

First, according to the Bible, do we have the right to judge someone's profession of faith, let alone the mandate to?

Second, if we are called to judge, what are the criteria?

On the one hand, the Bible tells us repeatedly that only God knows the heart and in that sense, only He knows who belongs to Him and who doesn't. At the same time, the Bible repeatedly calls us to examine what a professing Christian believes and to evaluate how that person lives, to judge the tree by its fruit, as Jesus put it.

Using that criteria, we know, for example, that Richard Dawkins is not a Christian, since he denies the existence of God, the authority of Scripture, and the atoning death and bodily resurrection of Jesus. We also know that Osama bin Laden was not a Christian, since he was a radical Muslim and an unrepentant mass murderer.

In the same way, albeit in a much less extreme fashion, we know that our friendly next-door neighbors are not Christians when they demonstrate no understanding of their own sin, no recognition of their need for forgiveness, and no knowledge of who Jesus really is or why He died on the cross. And we can say this with certainty even if they attend church services every year at Easter and Christmas.

A Christian believes core Christian doctrines and lives a basic Christian lifestyle.

The Christian faith begins with an acknowledgement of our sin and a profession of faith in our Savior and is then evidenced by a godly life - not a perfect life, but a godly life. As Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matt. 7:21)

James (Jacob) echoed this saying, "Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works" (Jas. 2:18b).

In other words, talk is cheap. Let's see how you live.

That's why Paul could contrast the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:17-23), adding, "And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires" (Gal. 5:24).

That's why Paul could also state plainly that no adulterer or drunkard or practicing homosexual would enter God's kingdom (among other lifestyles; see 1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Ephesians 5:5-7; Galatians 5:17-21), also noting, "And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God" (1 Cor. 6:11).

How does Donald Trump line up?

We know that in the past he boasted about his numerous adulterous affairs and that he built the first casino in America with its own strip club, actually featuring 36,000 square feet of adult entertainment. Yet he sees no need to ask for forgiveness for these past acts (which are just a small sampling of ungodly behavior) because he is "a very good person."

This is the opposite of Christianity, which begins with a recognition of guilt and an open confession of our need for forgiveness. As for Donald Trump, at no point in any interview that has ever been conducted with him has he offered the slightest understanding of the heart of the gospel.

That alone would indicate that Trump is a not a real Christian.

As for his conduct, while we have no idea how he lives in private, and while he presumably has many good qualities that are commendable, we do know that his public conduct is often deplorable, with his tweets and comments violating almost every standard of Christian decorum.

This is the standard Paul laid out for followers of Jesus: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen" (Eph 4:29, NIV).

Trump's vitriolic, nasty, often vulgar, sometimes patently false attacks on others violate this verse from beginning to end, both in spirit and in letter. And remember that it was Jesus who told us that it was out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks.

Jesus also "told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt [does this sound familiar to you at all?]

'Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector [remember that in New Testament times, tax collectors were notoriously corrupt].

'The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: "God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get."

'But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, "God, be merciful to me, a sinner!"

'I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.'" (Luke 18:9-14)

Which one sounds like Donald Trump, the Pharisee or the tax collector? And which is more characteristic of Mr. Trump, the person who exalts himself or the person who humbles himself?

Again, God is the ultimate judge, but He does tell us to judge the tree by its fruit, and that means that Donald Trump could really use our prayers.

You may still plan to vote for him to be president, even though he shows no true signs of being a genuine Christian (although it's clear he believes he is one). That's obviously your call entirely.

But let's not foolishly proclaim him to be a Christian when, until recently, many of his ardent supporters acknowledged that he was not. And just consider what a world changer Donald Trump could be if he really knew the Lord. Through prayer and God's mercy, it could happen.


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To: 20yearsofinternet

Just one question. How is it you’ve decided that Cruz is lying through his teeth about things when it seems to me that the ones claiming that are at least as likely to be lying about some things, potentially including the claim that Cruz is lying?

I know that liberals will attack conservatives with such claims based on nothing more than the assumption that other liberals are being truthful when they make such accusations. I’m not seeing much in the way of third party, objective evidence where the claims of Cruz lying are concerned.


101 posted on 02/20/2016 9:37:56 AM PST by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: New Jersey Realist
You don't have to be a Christian to be a good president.

I may have agreed with you some 50 years ago, but after 43+ years of abortion, our nation is gasping. I like my tagline, compliments of Mother Teresa:

"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation."
102 posted on 02/20/2016 9:59:26 AM PST by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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To: Hawthorn

Hey Heidi, when is Teddy going to show us the face of God? :-)


103 posted on 02/20/2016 10:20:08 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Kaslin
Can We Judge the Christianity of Donald Trump?

Sure!

But...

...what STANDARD shall we use??

Some will trot out the old FRUITS thing; while others will print what are allegedly Jesus' words on the matter - John 6:28-29

104 posted on 02/20/2016 10:26:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin
I am of the latter persuasion...
105 posted on 02/20/2016 10:26:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: V_TWIN
Matthew 7: 1-6

Oh; I left out the DO NOT JUDGE crowd.





Judge NOT???
 
Sigh...
 
Jesus has commanded us to judge!
 

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).


Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.


"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).

"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).

"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).


All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.

We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.


 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."  (John 7:24). with ignorance after all.

106 posted on 02/20/2016 10:28:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: texican01

I voted for Trump in early voting (Texas) yesterday because he calls out God-hating fetus butchering faggot-sucking Marxist Muslims!.
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Yet Trump has spent his entire adult life supporting abortion, and even now after his supposed epiphany on abortion supports continued planned parenthood funding.

Planned Parenthood butchers more babies per year than Isis.

Ever heard of cognitive dissonance?


107 posted on 02/20/2016 10:29:53 AM PST by Leto
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To: mtrott
I’ve never heard any politician speak so condescendingly about Christianity as Trump.

Oh?

Just who is it that SERVES the 'tiny cup and cracker'??

108 posted on 02/20/2016 10:30:43 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: free_life
Judge by who's standards, the Dominionist Ted and his side kick whacko Beck?

I'd probably be whacko too; if I had started out Catholic; tried the world's way for a while; then chosen Mormonism.

109 posted on 02/20/2016 10:36:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

Is he running for President or the second coming?


110 posted on 02/20/2016 10:37:38 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bert
It is not the place of the writer to even attempt to judge

HMMMmmm...


It appears that we ALL have been judged...


 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

111 posted on 02/20/2016 10:38:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Hawthorn
But some of the old-fashioned anti-Catholic bigotry is still out there, especially among Southern evangelicals.

I just HATE it when evidence is produced to show this stuff!!



"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

 

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.

--Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1

112 posted on 02/20/2016 10:41:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mlizzy
I may have agreed with you some 50 years ago, but after 43+ years of abortion, our nation is gasping.



Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

113 posted on 02/20/2016 10:43:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
"I thank God that he has said I am a politician, as Aristotle defined the human being as an 'animal politicus': at least I am a human being! And that I am a pawn ... perhaps, I do not know. I will leave that to your judgment, to the people. A person who thinks only of building walls, wherever that may be, and not bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. With regard to what I would advise, to vote or not to vote: I would not like to become involved. I would say only that this man is not Christian. It is necessary to see if he has said these things, and for this reason I would give the benefit of the doubt."

--Guess Who

114 posted on 02/20/2016 10:49:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: free_life
Are we now DU?

Wow. I just took the time to look at your posting history. After all the insults, name-calling, personal attacks, and false accusations you've posted in the last few days (including on this thread), it is amazing hypocrisy to accuse someone else of DU-like postings. You know that saying of our Lord about the "log in your own eye..."

115 posted on 02/20/2016 11:08:44 AM PST by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: boycott

I think sin is sin, you don’t have to be committing the same sin to be a hypocrite. I also think in our last heartbeat or, possibly even beyond, we have the chance to transform and accept Jesus as our Savior and receive forgiveness for our sins no matter how horrible they are. You can’t say God would condemn another to hell, only God know where we will begin and where we will end.


116 posted on 02/20/2016 11:24:50 AM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: Elsie

Yes, Elsie! Keep your eye on the earthquake tracker!

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/


117 posted on 02/20/2016 11:30:38 AM PST by mlizzy (America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe/Wade has deformed a great nation. -MT)
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To: DoughtyOne
Trump is no "god", nor is he the best deal to be offered since Washington was chosen as president and turned down a chance at being a monarch.

Cultists never realize they are cultists, without intensive deprogramming. I fully expect suicides to occur among the Trumpite ranks, should Trump stumble and falter and lose the nom.

118 posted on 02/20/2016 11:34:22 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Cruz/Palin2016)
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To: william clark

If Lord Donald (pbuh) proclaims Cruz to be lying, then so be it. The Word with Trump (pbuh) is infallible. Just ask a Trumpite.


119 posted on 02/20/2016 11:37:01 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Cruz/Palin2016)
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To: Thumper1960

When folks toss out “cult” analogies, I just smile.

They haven’t the tools to understand others see things differently, so they search in desperation for words that will make themselves feel better.

I do hope you feel better. Tonight’s going to be a bitch of a wake up call.


120 posted on 02/20/2016 11:42:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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