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TRUMP: not a liberal or a conservative, but a pragmatist
Intellectual Froglegs ^ | 2/5/16 | Mychal Massie

Posted on 02/08/2016 6:47:05 AM PST by bigtoona

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To: bigtoona

Ideology alone doesn’t feed the bulldog. Trump’s view of conservatism is that of the founders of conservative thought such as Edmund Burke, Wiliam F. Buckley, and Russel Kirk, one of whose 10 priniciples of conservatism is the linkage between freedom and property, which is the foundation upon which all great civilizations are built. If you need the conservative philosophy translated to a short list of talking points that can be robotically repeated over and over, Hannity comes on the radio in a few house.


21 posted on 02/08/2016 7:06:03 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: 4rcane

Trump does not talk like someone who’s an insider to politics. He use words like pro-choice and universal health care fairly loosely - he treat those labels in isolation without a definition recognized by most left or right.

When he talk about being pro-choice, he actually believe in choice as opposed to most leftists who are actually pro-abortion and not pro-choice.

When he talk about universal health care, he talks removing state barriers for competition and savings account. This is closer to Singapore Health Care system, as oppose to European/Canada horrible health care system


22 posted on 02/08/2016 7:06:10 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: EternalVigilance

Pragmatism never works out the way pragmatists think it will.


Pragmatist and realist are cousins.


23 posted on 02/08/2016 7:07:38 AM PST by QuigleyDU
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

RINO.

That word is so watered down that it means nothing. Every person on Earth who is a Republican has worn that tag at one time or another. It means nothing getting called a RINO today. 4 years ago that tag might have scared a candidate getting that tag, but it has been overused.


24 posted on 02/08/2016 7:07:47 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: bigtoona

I liked the article. And I agree with what was said.


25 posted on 02/08/2016 7:10:39 AM PST by native texan (Texans should be independent thinkers)
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To: skeeter

As a VP maybe. Doesn’t take a constitutionalist to roll back 19 trillion in debt or stop all the businesses leaving the country.
We need a business man. That’s what got Michigan out of debt.


26 posted on 02/08/2016 7:12:05 AM PST by MarMema
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To: EternalVigilance
Pragmatism never works out the way pragmatists think it will.

Din . Ding. Ding. We have the winner.

Perhaps those who believe pragmatism is the solution will give out some examples from history pointing how well that philosophy (which is what it is) has worked out when applied to governance.

27 posted on 02/08/2016 7:13:24 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory. And He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: dowcaet

And that works too. In the worst case scenario he doesn’t follow through, but then it was still a great ride watching the polite establishment moaning and groaning over his popularity.


28 posted on 02/08/2016 7:14:32 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

RINO - Like “Republican In Name Only” is a bad thing these days? We got enough Republicans that don’t do ____. We need someone who’s had a record of getting things done.


29 posted on 02/08/2016 7:16:24 AM PST by McGruff (Rubio quit his job as senator. Can't have a quitter as president.)
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To: bigtoona

Just be ready for disappointment when pragmatism brings President Trump down on the side of pro gun control, amnesty, leftist Supreme Court nominees, and other issues that need to thwart the Constitution to be “solved.”


30 posted on 02/08/2016 7:17:24 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Albion Wilde; Amntn; AuntB; bajabaja; BigEdLB; Biggirl; Black Agnes; BlackFemaleArmyCaptain; ...

Ping!


31 posted on 02/08/2016 7:17:24 AM PST by Amntn ("The only special interest not being served by our government is the American people" - Donald Trump)
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To: bigtoona

Pragmatism without principle can be dangerous.

John Boehner considered himself a pragmatist. So he cooperated with the Democracts in order to “get things done” when the better solution for us was to block things and stop them from getting done. Obamacare is a case in point. No bill was needed at all. But getting a bill done was assumed as needed from the beginning.

You must view pragmatism as a piece of the puzzle. Make it the only criteria at your own peril.


32 posted on 02/08/2016 7:24:38 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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Politicians can't manage. All they can do is talk.

Donald Trump



click the pic


33 posted on 02/08/2016 7:25:11 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: bigtoona
Trump is a populist, which means that he'd probably govern as a strong conservative on some issues and as a moderate on others.

What many ideologues of the party line don't realize is that most people are a mix of political views. For example, just because somebody favors low taxes and market deregulation doesn't mean that they're on the same page as evangelicals on social issues, and conversely, you have people who are strong social conservatives who benefit from and support aspects of the welfare state like social security and medicare.

Most people are less concerned about ideological purity than whether their own issues of most concern are addressed, and so are willing to forgive "heresy" on issues they may have opinions on but put on the back burner. For instance, I'm willing to let not only social issues but market deregulation slide if we get a candidate who is strong on the national question, because if the US is transformed into a Latin American outpost there won't be much of an economy left to deregulate.

34 posted on 02/08/2016 7:28:25 AM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: MarMema

The best, fastest way to reduce government & government spending is to reduce it to its Constitutionally mandated role.


35 posted on 02/08/2016 7:28:48 AM PST by skeeter
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To: bigtoona

Totally agree. Pragmatic politics with a pro-American position is what we need right now.


36 posted on 02/08/2016 7:32:45 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: bigtoona

The Establishment is filled with pragmatists. The term “pragmatist” has essentially become synonymous with liberal in the US.


37 posted on 02/08/2016 7:40:47 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: EternalVigilance
Pragmatism never works out the way pragmatists think it will.

The Law of Unintended Consequences haunts us all, but some more than others... (one would think that Liberals would grow weary of ALL of their feel-good plans leading to opposite results.)

38 posted on 02/08/2016 7:44:04 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: bigtoona
This is a good article that I think sums up the view of many of us who support Trump. I have not thought of him as a hardcore conservative since the beginning but as a problem solver and a patriot!
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You are so right. To hell with labels and parties. Let's stop all the choreographed party orchestrated BS. Vote the candidate that is not owned by the party. After all party creations are nothing more than carefully contrived, camouflaged corrupt criminal enterprises that film flam the people into believing they are necessary for governance. Then they want the voter to view elections like a game where voters root for their favorite party/football team. By making it seem like a sporting competition, blind party/team loyalty can be promoted and the low information voter doesn't need any decrement but can simply vote straight party/syndicate ballot. Today, elections are nothing more than competitions between rival corrupt party syndicates as to who will gain power and control over the public largess. The political party creation lies at the core of bad governance.
39 posted on 02/08/2016 7:45:29 AM PST by iontheball
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To: bigtoona
If you're in the federal government, viewing yourself as the guy to fix problems is a liberal idea. In fact, that the absolute core of liberalism. If there is a problem, the government should fix it.
40 posted on 02/08/2016 7:46:06 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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