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Video: Ted Cruz Was Talking About a Wall YEARS Before Trump
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Posted on 02/07/2016 8:45:29 PM PST by SoConPubbie

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To: i_robot73; All
"IMO, that is authority to spend to build said wall."

With all due respect i_robot73, that attitude is why we are now cursed with an unconstitutionally big federal government that walks on us daily.

In fact, note that the Constitutions Clause 12 of Section 8 of Article I is a constitutional check against a standing army, the Founding States never intending for the US to have a standing army that polices the world like it does now imo.

Justice Joseph Story had commented about security problems with a standing army.

Justice Joseph Story: Article 1, Section 8, Clause 12

201 posted on 02/08/2016 10:34:43 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: sparklite2
I know that's not a Trump supporter posting this panty-waist drive-by nonsense!
202 posted on 02/08/2016 12:06:33 PM PST by ru4liberty (I wish FR were still "The Premiere *CONSERVATIVE* Site on the Net" :'(.....)
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To: SpaceBar
Cruz would have a hard time winning employee of the month in a flyover country walmart. He looks stupid, and will lose to Hillary.

The absence of any cogent argument in your post makes you a great Trump groupie. I'm sure he has a syllabus of insults he can send his trainees just in case they come to the end of their ability to conjure up more. But I wouldn't worry about that if it happened. Trump himself just recycles his. Being articulate is not a pre-requisite. Just being nasty, negative and devoid of any substantive policy points is enough.

Trump on, little Trumpster, Trump on!

203 posted on 02/08/2016 12:14:10 PM PST by ru4liberty (I wish FR were still "The Premiere *CONSERVATIVE* Site on the Net" :'(.....)
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To: WTFOVR; sruleoflaw

In your desperation to take a swipe at sruleoflaw, you seem to have missed the point that he/she isn’t running for president. If and when, he/she does decide to run for public office, you might have an argument. Otherwise, you’re just flailing pitifully.

sruleoflaw, regarding your previous post, remember the days when Clinton was the embarrassment of the nation and the FReepers were making the exact point you were making — character matters? I wonder how many of those same FReepers have set aside those values to support the exceedingly creepy Trump. In other words, character only matters if we’re applying that principle to the guy with a “D” next to his name. Can they not see their own hypocrisy? Correction: WILL they not see their own hypocrisy?


204 posted on 02/08/2016 12:30:03 PM PST by ru4liberty (I wish FR were still "The Premiere *CONSERVATIVE* Site on the Net" :'(.....)
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To: TheBattman

So the alternative is the anti-Conservative who has been the poster boy for all Conservatives claim to hate...? Seriously?

But the TPA - which was also supported by many so-called “Conservatives”... interesting thing to hold against him.

As far as Cruz’s SuperPac... where is the documentation of the “anonymous money laundered donations”? Not saying it isn’t true - but I sure would appreciate some evidence/documentation.


The “anti-Conservative” isn’t stuffing his pockets with anonymous money laundered donations. Senator Principled Conservative (TM) is doing that. With situational ethics like that who knows what Cruz would do as POTUS.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/politics/ted-cruz-super-pac/index.html


205 posted on 02/08/2016 12:53:17 PM PST by lodi90 (TRUMP Force 1 lifting off)
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To: sparklite2

“Talk is cheap.”

Yes, and all DONALD TRUMP is doing is TALKING.

Why would anybody believe the TALK from a flip flopper, like Donald?


206 posted on 02/08/2016 12:58:14 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“......that Mexico would pay for?”

Do you REALLY believe Trump can get Mexico to pay?

Mexico makes so much money from illegals sending their $$ back to Mexico, why would they do that?


207 posted on 02/08/2016 1:08:41 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Kenny
Without Cruz, the entire issue would be off the table because we would already have amnesty:

"We stopped the Gang of Eight bill. Ted Cruz led the fight against the establishment would be living under amnesty right now if Cruz had not succeeded." - Rush Limbaugh

"It was that close to being passed... and I think I can say this with integrity. Without the vigorous opposition of Ted Cruz, this bill likely would have passed." - Sen. Jeff Session

208 posted on 02/08/2016 1:14:07 PM PST by conservativejoy (Pray Hard, Work Hard, Trust God ...We Can Elect Ted Cruz)
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To: SoConPubbie

Funny he didn’t see ANY need to talk about it during his pres announcement! In fact immigration just wasn’t on his mind.

Here are three candidates when they announced for president and what they had to say about immigration.

TRUMP June 16 , 2015
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-donald-trump-announces-his-presidential-candidacy/

When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically.
The U.S. has become a dumping ground for everybody else’s problems.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.
It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably — probably — from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.
(APPLAUSE)
I will immediately terminate President Obama’s illegal executive order on immigration, immediately.
(APPLAUSE)

I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.

He’s weak on immigration. He’s in favor of Common Core. How the hell can you vote for this guy? You just can’t do it. We have to end — education has to be local.

When do we beat Mexico at the border? They’re laughing at us, at our stupidity. And now they are beating us economically. They are not our friend, believe me. But they’re killing us economically.

CRUZ Mar. 23, 2015
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-ted-cruzs-speech-at-liberty-university/2015/03/23/41c4011a-d168-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html

Instead of the lawlessness and the president’s unconstitutional executive amnesty, imagine a president that finally, finally, finally secures the borders.
(APPLAUSE)
And imagine a legal immigration system that welcomes and celebrates those who come to achieve the American dream

RUBIO April 13, 2015

“modernize our immigration laws”

Yep...THAT is it, except for this..
En este pais, ustedes van a poder lograr todas las cosas que nosotros no pudimos.
“In this country, you will achieve all the things we never could.”

Next we’ll look at TRADE and Terrorism.


209 posted on 02/08/2016 1:18:24 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: conservativejoy
Not buying it. Cruz did then and afterwards push for massive H1b increases. Cruz is not the saint he paints himself as but kudos to him for a campaign that's managed to do that.

But remember, TPA brought us the Iran deal and will bring us Obamatrade. Cruz pushed hard for TPA, voted for cloture, then backed off on the final vote when no longer needed.

Ted Cruz joins the establishment

210 posted on 02/08/2016 1:19:32 PM PST by Kenny (RED)
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To: sparklite2

Yes, talk is cheap, and Donald’s conversion on the eve of his Presidential run is bargain basement stuff.


211 posted on 02/08/2016 1:20:04 PM PST by alstewartfan ("I came back as a large hippopotamus." Al Stewart)
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To: DoughtyOne

Exactly. What a bunch of BS. Ted could have stood up and demanded the fence be built! He did NOT. Is everyone, including Talk radio paid off by Cruz and Rubio’s K St Handlers??

See Post # 209 Cruz didn’t think immigration was even important enough to talk about when he announced for pres...almost a year ago, while we paid his salary!


212 posted on 02/08/2016 1:21:13 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Sun

Let’s see how it works out.

We can speculate as much as we want. We can’t guarantee any of these folks will follow through.


213 posted on 02/08/2016 1:22:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (the Free Republic Caucus: what FReepers are thinking, 100s or 1000s of them. It's up to you.)
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To: nopardons

Cruz is not a freaking dictator. You know that. Sounds like your meme that TRUMP SAID IT FIRST has been blown to smithereens, and you are groping for a rational response.


214 posted on 02/08/2016 1:22:43 PM PST by alstewartfan ("I came back as a large hippopotamus." Al Stewart)
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To: Sun

See post 209.

Trump has given more details on policy than Cruz ever did. All Cruz did was talk about himself and sound like John Lennon asking everyone to ‘imagine’.......


215 posted on 02/08/2016 1:22:51 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Saying you will build a wall is one thing, but getting Congress to do it, and ESPECIALLY saying Mexico will pay for it, is delusional. Sorry.


216 posted on 02/08/2016 1:30:36 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: alstewartfan

“Cruz is not a freaking dictator. ....”

No he is not, but Donald IS!

As a citizen of NY State, I was especially upset with Donald Trump when he wanted to deprive me of voting in the GOP primaries.

When Trump was going to run for Governor of NY State, he said he would not run if there was a primary. The GOP chair basically told Donald he had to follow the rules like everybody else.

Trump would take away many of our liberties, including our property. Mr. Trump canNOT be POTUS.


217 posted on 02/08/2016 1:39:34 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Where is it?


218 posted on 02/08/2016 1:40:29 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sun

Don’t be sorry. That’s how you see it.

I disagree.

The public wants that wall.

Let Congress try to stand in the way of that, and you’ll see a 75% swap out of Republicans in the House within two years.

One third of Republican Senators will be gone in two years.

This is getting done.


219 posted on 02/08/2016 1:49:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (the Free Republic Caucus: what FReepers are thinking, 100s or 1000s of them. It's up to you.)
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To: AuntB

Actually I think BOTH Cruz and Trump would do what they could to build a fence, but they have to convince Congress, and hopefully they would.

However, Senator Cruz would build the fence, PLUS do right on mega other issues, like pick great judges.

Ted Cruz was a Constitutional lawyer, who gaduated magna cum laud, and clerked for Justice Rehnquist.

But even more importantly, Cruz has a long history of conservative, Constitutional PRINCIPLES, and did not flip just before deciding to run as Trump did.

Bret Baier at the first GOP debate asked Mr. Trump why he supported single-payer in 2000. Here’s his answer.

“As far as single payer, it works in Canada. It works incredibly well in Scotland.”

Do you trust this guy, Donald, to pick judges?

We are in a Constituional CRISIS, and we canNOT have someone, like Trump picking more anti-Constitutional judges.


220 posted on 02/08/2016 1:51:05 PM PST by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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