Posted on 02/07/2016 8:45:29 PM PST by SoConPubbie
Yesterday I told you how Ted Cruz talked about building a wall months before Donald Trump announced his 2016 presidential candidacy.
That post was misleading, and I deeply apologize.
Because Ted Cruz was actually talking about a wall years before Trump announced.
YEARS.
Here’s Ted Cruz, July 17, 2012, during his run for the Texas Senate, supporting building a wall:
MODERATOR: Mr. Cruz. You were asked during April’s Belo Debate if you support building a fence the length of the U.S./Mexico border and here’s what you said.
MODERATOR: He supports building a wall along the entire Texas/Mexico border. Is that something that you would support? Yes, no, why? We’ll start with you, Mr. Cruz.
CRUZ: Yes. We have an illegal immigration crisis and we need to do everything humanly possible to secure the border. That means fences, that means walls…
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MODERATOR: [unintelligible] wall, you said you’d support a wall —
CRUZ: I said yes to that.
MODERATOR: — even if it infringes on property rights of Texans along the way.
CRUZ: Property owners should be compensated for that [edit]
MODERATOR: Is that still your position tonight, to build a fence the length of the Texas/Mexico border?
CRUZ: I think we need to use every tool humanly possible.
MODERATOR: And that is one of them?
CRUZ: Yes.
MODERATOR: Yes? OK. Do you have any idea how much it would cost?
CRUZ: I don’t know the specific cost but I can guarantee you it is far less than the cost of illegal immigration.
The moderator goes on to berate Cruz for supporting this despite the cost. Cruz sticks to his guns. That was July 17, 2012, and the debate clip used in the second debate was from April 13, 2012. Donald Trump’s latest presidential run was announced in June 2015.
This means Ted Cruz supported a wall years before Trump announced his 2016 presidential bid.
And here is Cruz again, from July 30, 2011, supporting a wall as part of a comprehensive strategy to secure the border:
QUESTIONER: Do you favor a path to citizenship for illegal aliens already in the U.S., stricter border enforcement, and/or the building of a border wall or some other policy or combination of policies?
CRUZ: There were a lot of questions in that piece. Let me lay out my position on immigration, because I can state it simply and in one sentence. I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration. I am categorically opposed to amnesty. And I strongly support legal immigrants who follow the rules and come here seeking to work towards the American dream.
Now with respect to securing the borders, I approach this from the perspective of someone who’s spent much of his adult life in law enforcement. It makes utterly no sense that we don’t know who’s coming into this country. We don’t know the criminal backgrounds. Our borders are largely unsecured. And particularly in a post-9/11 world, that is lunacy. I support any and all possible efforts to secure the border. That includes fences, that includes walls, that includes technology, that includes helicopters, that includes drones, that includes manpower, that includes employment verification, that includes approaching it as a law enforcement priority. And right now, neither party is serious about doing that.
With respect to a path to citizenship or amnesty, I categorically oppose it. And the reason is, I’ve spent a lifetime working to defend the constitution and uphold the rule of law. It is fundamentally unfair and contrary to the rule of law to reward those who break the law. And you know, one of the people it’s most unfair to are those that are following the laws. There are immigrants who wait years and even decades to come here legally. And yet what amnesty programs say is that we’re going to take those that have chosen to break the law, and we’re going to reward them rather than insist that people follow the law. I don’t think that’s fair, I don’t think that’s right, and I don’t support it.
Thanks to @mbhouse on Twitter (here and here) for the pointers.
In 2013, Ted was all for giving the illegals some sort of quasi permanent legal status, without making them full citizens.
Like that would ever hold up in the courts.
Talk. Talk. And more talk. As long as it’s politically safe and expedient.
Spit...
Your wrong. trump made his case plain enough on how it could be legally done. You just don’t have the vision nor the balls to get it done. Another freaking wuss lawyer, no doubt.
Trump in 2012 open borders guy...
“He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal” Trump says. “It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote” Trump notes. “He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country.”
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Donald-Trump-Ronald-Kessler/2012/11/26/id/465363/
You aren’t listening. It won’t get you a wall. These great ideas you speak of have already been tried and failed.
It will get you flooded with even more drugs and drug gangs.
And you know nothing I bet about what happens to business owners in Texas who are caught hiring illegals.
First off, Trump's not my "messiah". You really oughtn't throw that term around loosely in a place like this.
To answer your question, I'd say, fairly rapidly. Trump is known for actually doing things - not talking about them. It's why he's worth what he's worth. The guy is a proven executive, which means to 'execute', as in, get things done.
He also has a solid reputation for being a man of his word.
Wow, are you a little much. And, God willing, Trump WILL NEVER BE IN OFFICE. Maybe we can have a president who posed naked (except for a coat) for Playboy magazine. He has some of the morals of Billy Jeff.
AND HE HAS ZERO CHARACTER. He is a serial adulterer, s strip club owner, a long-time abortion supporter, a backer of eminent domain for himself and a past supporter of gun control. Sixty percent of the American DO NOT LIKE HIM. He has higher negatives than even Hillary.
Show me some links.
AlI see are empty “make them pay for it” comments that sound like Bernie handing out college tuition.
Ther is a law for a fence. It should have been built a long time ago.
Our current president won't let it happen. He won't enforce the law.
If you think for a second that a Senator Trump would have made any difference you need to lay off whatever it is that has you hallucinating.
Did you think any other senator has been anywhere near as effective as Cruz at getting the message out? Do you know of any first term Senator that has had as big an impact on the issues you claim to support?
All you want to do is tear down an obviously good man in order to make you feel better about supporting a mostly liberal candidate.
What did he accomplish? He drew the nation's eyes to the fight against obama are. He let people, like you, know the fight wasn't over and that your voice was heard. He helped show previous supporters of Obamacare that it was horribly flawed and that fighting against it was possible.
In the meantime what did your candidate fight for? Ratings? Zoning laws?
Try and use the brain that brought you to this site to think beyond “My team is right no matter what” and figure out what matters.
I’ve been around enough university professors to understand that point - but that is not the issue ... My response was to some clown supposing that Trump is stupid ... $10 billion in success does not come through being stupid. The poster is an idiot - and was calling him out.
Seen Trump lately?
What on earth does your idea of beauty have to do with choosing a candidate?
Do you think Hillary is pretty enough to win?
How about Bernie? Is he cute enough for you?
Thank you. Excellent points. I am so tired of the people here supporting a long-time Democrat and abortion supporter. Trump is reprehensible in so many ways. I kind of got a kick out of him sticking it to the Democrats, the media and GOP-E, but as president, YUCK. He is SO lacking in maturity. In his mouthy word, Carly is ugly, Megyn is a bimbo, Dr. Carson resembles a child molester (and Trump buddies to him after the Iowa problem with Cruz), and Cruz looks like a jerk. He has little class.
You don't know me from Adam, so don't go assuming you have any idea whatsoever about what I know about such things.
As it so happens, I have a business in the construction trades. Want to hazard a guess as to what my number one problem is with ALL of my competitors?
Wanna guess how many of them have gone to jail for stealing my jobs because they use illegal labor?
Don't kid me, man. There isn't a jobsite in all of North Texas that doesn't have illegals working there, and over half of them can't speak a solitary word of English. Do you think they even try to hide it?
Don't insult my intelligence with such nonsense. I live this crap in the real world every damn day.
Horseshit, in plain English. You don’t know me from dirt, smartass.
This post is a prime excellent example re the take over of FR by the Piper crowd -
They are organized -
Truth is irrelevant.
Post a thread of how to knit mittens - and they will come in in force and insert their Piper with proof that he knows how to knit the best mittens - indeed, the first one who ever knit mittens...
It’s a sad time for FR
You have to be supporting Trump. You talk just like him.
I have no idea.
He talks about it going along the whole border.
You know, I don’t like the idea of nations having this type of wall between them, but in the instance of Mexico and it’s refusal to get it’s own nation under control, plus it’s determination to use us as an escape valve with it’s poor and criminal element, what choice do we have?
Onward...
So you are in North Texas doing business?
I am beginning to think that you are one of those ranchers who enjoys using cheap labor - low pay, no benefits, etc ... b/c why else would you be here doing all you can to argue against doing anything to STOP the violation of our borders?
I think I just inferred that. Yes, I am.
OK - now how about you tell us about all of YOUR sins?
Since you are apparently so quick to point out those of others, perhaps you’ll show yourself not a hypocrite, fess up, and publicly reveal all of your own peccadilloes?
Oh, and let me guess - you’re a bible-believing “Cristian”
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