Active Shootings Are Just This Fast

bearingarms.com/ ^ | Bob Owens

[rktman]

How do you think you'd respond in the event of a so-called "active shooter" situation?

Most of us like to think that we'd be able to respond quickly, decisively, and dare I say, it, heroically. The reality of the matter, however, is that the vast majority of people who haven't been properly trained to react would be standing there when the bullets start flying, thinking "this can't be happening to me," as they start taking rounds.

[dasboot]

Fact. In anout 1 in 10 incidents, the deranged active shooter murders until the first resistance it met. Then he/she shoots her/ himself. That resistance is most often the cops. No need to wait that long.

[Lion Den Dan]

That said, training certainly tips the odds toward acting quickly and effectively. A lot!

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You WILL fight like you are trained.

[Chode]

normalcy bias can kill you...

[mad_as_he$$]

Audie Murphy. Nicest guy you could ever meet. Hell on wheels in combat and cool as a cucumber.

[Lurker]

Stay alert. Stay alive. It’s as simple as that.

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[backwoods-engineer]

This kind of article is exactly what the anti-freedom forces want: whining that gun owners don't have enough training to shoot back. The anti-gunners would love to outlaw the possession of guns in public (on their way to outlawing possession at home). This just gives them more, ahem, ammunition.

Me, I've been trained, I practice weekly, and shoot at least one competitive match a month. I like to think I could returned aimed fire if a murderer was on the rampage. But maybe I am deluding myself, and I would just be another 'die in place' victim. Maybe so. But I want the chance to prove otherwise, and articles like this don't help.

[rktman]

Hmmm. Okay. I kinda took it as a reminder that if you’re gonna take the responsibility to carry, you need to do your utmost at keeping skill levels high. Of course, as you note, every day walkabout thinking you will respond “correctly” can quickly go to hell in a hand basket at the moment of need.

[backwoods-engineer]

Okay, I guess I will just die in place then, despite all my training, practice, and competition.

[rktman]

LOL! You may have company. Maybe me.

[papertyger]

You WILL fight like you are trained.

That can be a mixed bag.

I have always believed SFPD officer Johannes Meserle shot that restrained, subdued, kid in the back on New Years a few years ago did so due to "training scars."

"Perfect" practice makes perfect.

[sauropod]

Agree. That would be real useful.

[B4Ranch]

>>I don’t believe you can train someone to be focused and calm.<<

If you merely think about what you would do if and when X situation occurs that’s how you will perform when it does. The more detail that you give to preplanning the calmer you will be.

Why is this? Because now X situation is no longer a total shock. It is simply an event for which you have planned a solution to. You already know how to handle it.

It is similar to planning for your first flat tire. Hold the car straight, slow down and smoothly pull over. You went through this in your head fifty times when you were learning to drive. When it did happen, did you jerk the wheel and crash?

[Steve Van Doorn]

I had a blow out on the front right tire on an old car I had years ago as i was making a left curve on the freeway. I'm not so sure many people would react as I did.

I understand what you're saying. You're talking about training that needs to be kept up and repetitive. Also needs to be very specific. If the training deviates from the actual event that persons cool could fall apart fast. Other then that. I agree.

It would take a lot of work even then it would only lower the chance of freaking out or hesitating.

I have been in car accidents with other people at the wheel. Panic is the only reaction I have ever seen from people that was driving and as you said driving we all practice every day.

Also. The two friends that i was with in the shooting. They both went full on panic. One jumped through the open window on a small truck before the shooting. He didn't actually start the truck and leave until after the shooting was long over. He couldn't turn the key in the ignition. He didn't come back for about an hour.

[archy]

Hesitate and you could be a casualty. Interesting concept for training. If your first thoughts are "this can't be happening to me", then you're way behind the curve.

From the time the guy with the 25-pound satchel charge of explosives climbed on the back deck of our tank to the time I stood and popped up in the commander's hatch with an M3 submachine and blew him off to the ground with half a magazine took about eight seconds. It was faster than the gunner on the tank that was supposed to be covering us from that sort of nuisance [in the rain] could depress and traverse his turret and *scratch our back* with his .30 caliber machinegun.

Just another day at the office.