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Why is the natural born citizen requirement important?
Renew America ^ | February 05, 2016 | Tim Dunkin

Posted on 02/05/2016 8:15:25 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy

A lot of sound and fury has been generated in the past month concerning the natural born citizenship requirement found in the Constitution as a requirement for holding the office of the presidency. The issue has been around since Obama's first run for that office, though it was largely ignored at the time by the media and the political establishment. More recently, Donald Trump stumbled (quite by accident, I presume) into actually mentioning the Constitution when he raised the issue with regard to his competitor for the nomination, Ted Cruz.

Now, the purpose of this present essay is not to rehash all the arguments for or against either Barack Obama or Ted Cruz being natural born citizens. Likewise, I do not intend to cover in great detail what exactly is a "natural born citizen," other than to note that the general run of the historical arguments that I have seen, from earlier English common law down to Blackstone and then through the statements of our own American jurists and commentarians, seems to be that the primary issue concerned with natural born citizenship is that of the place of birth, what is termed jus soli, or "law of the soil." There is a strain, represented best by Vattel, but also found within American legal thinking, that also includes the citizenship of the parents when deciding who is natural born, but that seems to be a secondary and minority opinion among the early jurists and statesmen, many of whom were alive and flourishing at the time of the Founding.

My concern at present is to investigate why we have this requirement in the first place. What is the point to it? Is it something we should be spending so much time and energy discussing, and if so, why is that the case? The reason for asking this question is because there are many out there who don't think we should even have this requirement anymore, that it's outdated, outmoded, and completely out of step with our modern, immigrant-soaked society.

To begin looking at this, let's first examine what the role of the president in our government was (and is) supposed to be. Essentially, when you boil down what Article II of the Constitution says about the presidency, you see three general areas of competency – acting as a check on the other branches through the veto and judicial nomination powers, molding American foreign policy through the treaty-making role, and serving as commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

Needless to say, each of these roles is quite important, and the abuse of them – as we have abundantly seen in recent decades, but especially in the last seven years – can cause a great deal of harm to this nation. The Founders and the generations immediately following well-understood that the safety and prosperity of America depended on ensuring that our leadership was devoted to the United States and did not have divided loyalties.

In 1803, St. George Tucker stated,

"That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence..."

James Kent, the "father of American jurisprudence," observed in his Commentaries,

"The Constitution requires (a) that the President shall be a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and that he shall have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and shall have been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Considering the greatness of the trust, and that this department is the ultimately efficient executive power in government, these restrictions will not appear altogether useless or unimportant. As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States, ambitious foreigners cannot intrigue for the office, and the qualification of birth cuts off all those inducements from abroad to corruption, negotiation, and war, which have frequently and fatally harassed the elective monarchies of Germany and Poland, as well as the pontificate at Rome."

Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story wrote in 1840 in his own commentary on the Constitution,

"It is not too much to say, that no one, but a native citizen, ought ordinarily to be intrusted with an office so vital to the safety and liberties of the people."

The reasoning behind the natural born citizenship requirement is obvious – it was designed as a means of preventing foreign influence from taking root at the highest level of the Republic's government, in the office in which subversion could wreak the greatest damage. While it would be deleterious for one or a few congressmen to be subverted by a foreign power, prince, or ideology (such as is, for example, Rep. Keith Ellison from Michigan), and while the corruption of a justice of the Supreme Court would have far reaching effects, none would be as dangerous as putting the command of the military and the power to make treaties with foreign nations into the hands of one who was in the service of a foreign power, especially a hostile one.

We should recognize that, no matter how sincere an immigrant to this nation may be in their affections for this country, nevertheless, they still have divided loyalties. In many, many cases, their families are still home in the "old country." They often send money and information about America back to their native lands. Most importantly (and quite naturally – I am not condemning them for this at all), a piece of their heart is still often with the land of their nativity. My personal experience is that in nearly all cases of immigrants to America that I have known, they sooner or later will refer to their old homeland with "...in my country..." There is still a divided loyalty – which is to be naturally expected.

This is why a positive affirmation of the wisdom of and need for the natural born citizenship clause as a requirement for eligibility to be the president is even more important now than it ever was. With so many people from so many places around the world, there is a weltering pot of divided loyalties to every place on earth. As the object of immigration is (or at least should be) to increase the prosperity and strength of the Republic by allowing those who will be beneficial to us to join our body politic, it only makes sense that the highest office would be withheld from first-generation immigrants, while their natural born citizen children – born here on US soil – would be as eligible as the scion of a family of Blue Bloods. In a sense, immigrants are "proving themselves" to have an enduring loyalty to this land by setting down their roots and truly making this their home, and that for the generations following them.

We also would be wise to strengthen, rather than dismiss, our fidelity to this requirement because of the fact that in our globalized, shrunken world, there are simply so many more foreign actors out there with whom our nation comes into contact, a proportional number of whom will necessarily be hostile to our nation, for one reason or another. There are a couple of hundred official nation-states, dozens of competing ideologies, and even non-state actors who would love the opportunity to influence, or even control, American foreign and military policy.

The best way to ensure that this doesn't happen is to scrupulously guard the natural born citizenship of those we elect to this highest office in the Republic. We've already seen the damage that a president with foreign ties and dubious loyalties to the United States can wreak, even should he be a natural born citizen. All the more reason to increase our vigilance to reassert this necessary and wise requirement and to raise it back to its former sanctity in our governing system.


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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Did you READ that law? The part where it says; “Naturalization of Children on Application Of Citizen Parent”.

That is a SCREENPRINT. I did not interpret that in any way. It is a direct screengrab from OUR law.

That details, in words, how to NATURALIZE your children, born to US citizens outside of the boundaries of the US. Do you want me to post the rest of it, or can you research it and find it on your own?

When was Cruz naturalized? Ask him. He has yet to show a CRBA or any document purporting/supporting that he is a US citizen. HE DID have a document showing that he was a Canadian citizen. Or do you think to argue that also?

Just what is it that you are arguing, and what supporting laws/statutes/etc. can you present? I repeat, I have hundreds of hours researching this specific topic. What do you bring to this “argument”?


81 posted on 02/05/2016 7:37:56 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

Lol, you and leftist Larry Tribe are the only ones holding this position.

Again, no answer provided.

Cruz was a US citizen the moment he drew his first breath.

Trump and his lawyers agree with me.


82 posted on 02/05/2016 7:53:32 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

You agree with you. US law, does not. Dispute that law. Don’t put it on me or Trump or random others, YOU dispute that law on OUR books.

I posted a screengrab. Tell me what you dispute about that? Can you begin there? No? Why not?


83 posted on 02/05/2016 8:02:10 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

An American woman who gives birth oversees, gives birth to an American.
Period.
Trump agrees.
Trump’s lawyers agree.
The IL election board agrees.
Every conservative constitutional scholar agrees.

Leftist Larry Tribe disagrees.
Trump cultists disagree.

Simple really.

The constitution doesn’t change because Trump goes down in the polls.


84 posted on 02/05/2016 8:08:56 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Responsibility2nd
But even I know he was born in Hawaii.

I remain unconvinced.

If BO really had been born in Hawai'i, he could have made a great show of marching down to the Department of Health with the press in tow, cameras rolling, and ordered his original long-form birth certificate right at the counter, then presented it with a flourish to the waiting crowd and all of TV land.

I'm a nobody and even I can go down to my County Recorder's office and get my birth certificate right at the counter, in less than 30 minutes. Tops.

Why hasn't he done this?

85 posted on 02/05/2016 8:19:31 PM PST by thecodont
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“Simple really.”

Can you dispute the US law I posted? No? Then why are you still ranting? You have nothing. Nothing at all.

Most conservative Constitutional originalist find that at MINIMUM a person must be born in the US. The only time it has been thought it could be “otherwise” was to accommodate obama ... just in case it could be proven that he was not born here after all.

And now Cruz. Congrats. Look at the company you have chosen to be in. I am asking again, where is your research? WHERE is YOUR supporting material?

You have none. Accept that. Say out loud, “I want Ted Cruz to be eligible, so it doesn’t matter to me what the laws say”. Do that and be HONEST. Otherwise I can have no respect for you.

As for me, I will not compromise. The Constitution is not a living document, and I will not betray it. Not ever.


86 posted on 02/05/2016 8:41:18 PM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

My research and supporting material is Trump.

If you were right, Trump would be in federal court pronto.

He can afford the lawyers, so money isn’t the reason he isn’t suing.

I wonder what that reason could be??????


87 posted on 02/05/2016 8:43:30 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
Thought you would appreciate the following:

Hard-wired into the {United States} Supreme Court's DNA is the notion that the court doesn't reach out to decide a constitutional issue if it can resolve a case by interpreting a statute. "The court will not anticipate a question of constitutional law in advance of the necessity of deciding it," is how Justice Louis D. Brandeis expressed this principle of judicial restraint 80 years ago in a concurring opinion to which the court often makes reference.

88 posted on 02/05/2016 9:41:15 PM PST by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

“My research and supporting material is Trump.”

That’s all anyone needed to hear from you. You don’t research, you emote. You KNOW something because, you emote.

Do you for one minute think all lawyers sit around wondering about that clause in the Constitution? No, you don’t. Do you think for one minute that most lawyers even focused on that clause ever once in their lives? No, you don’t. If anyone asked a lawyer, based on the simple fact of Teds mother being a US citizen when Ted was born, if Ted would also be a US citizen - the lawyers would likely have to check the laws quickly before answering “yes”. But simply being a citizen is not the same as being a natural born citizen. As most of the Constitutional scholars will instantly tell you. The only ones who will not are arguing from the viewpoint of a “living” Constitution. We don’t have a living Constitution, last I checked. Not all Constitutional scholars are law professors. The Constitution was written, after all, in common language purposefully so that every citizen could understand it. What a natural-born citizen is, is not a matter of law. It never has been. What extends US citizenship to those NOT native born is a matter of law. I posted a portion of the law that pertains to those such as Ted Cruz. You can read that if you care for truth, it is our law, passed by our congress.


89 posted on 02/06/2016 9:01:50 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

90 posted on 02/06/2016 9:04:16 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
The naturalization procedure that Cruz's parent would have followed is to submit their claim to a competent (in a legal sense) tribunal for adjudication. The adjudicator reviews the evidence in support of the claim, and if he finds the claim to be valid, issues a finding and certification to that effect.

United States Citizens at Birth (INA 301 and 309) - Chapter 3, Part H, Volume 12 | Policy Manual | USCIS

A person born in the US does not have to submit to this procedure.

91 posted on 02/06/2016 9:11:33 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Responsibility2nd
-- The Constitution is vague and unclear on this entire NBC requirement. --

But it is clear on who is a citizen under the constitution, and provides that those who are not, may be made citizens by act of Congress pursuant to the power to make rule of naturalization.

92 posted on 02/06/2016 9:14:29 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Yashcheritsiy
-- Someone born on US soil is an NBC, someone not born on US soil is not. --

Someone born on US soil can be an NBC, someone not born on US soil can not.

93 posted on 02/06/2016 9:15:43 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Ladysforest

Lol, the fact that the cult leader is not in federal court now to have Cruz declared ineligible tells me all I need to know.

Money talks and BS walks........and the Donald is sure full of BS.


94 posted on 02/06/2016 9:23:25 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Cboldt

Lol, it is still “citizenship at birth” which is another name for.............

Naturally born citizen.

Will the stupidity never end?????


95 posted on 02/06/2016 9:30:11 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

BS does seem to be your particular specialty.

By the way, it is not illegal to RUN if you are not a natural-born citizen. Anyone can run. Anyone at all. You must be a natural-born citizen to serve.

It is why that weird Senator from FL said if Cruz is the *nominee* he will bring a lawsuit. The Senator knows it doesn’t matter at this stage of the process.

I guess if you were more inclined to doing actual research you would know these things.


96 posted on 02/06/2016 9:39:48 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: Ladysforest

Anyone can bring a lawsuit. Anyone.

The question is winning the lawsuit.

The chances of winning a suit to declare Cruz ineligible to be President is zero. Really less than zero, but zero is as low as you can go.

Trump knows this.....you don’t see him wasting legal $$$ do you????


97 posted on 02/06/2016 10:28:18 AM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Keep crooning that to yourself, over and over and over .... it’s called self-hypnosis.

And again you are completely wrong. One must have standing to bring a lawsuit. No one has standing ... yet.

Do your research. Or self-hypnosis. Whatever.


98 posted on 02/06/2016 11:54:24 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: virginia9000
TED CRUZ is by far, the MOST CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE we've got ! So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.
99 posted on 02/06/2016 12:00:17 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Responsibility2nd
As far as the United States Constitution, pay particular attention to U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8 Also, pay particular attention to U.S. Constitution - Article I, section 5 As I have commented on before and supported with links, in the article Akhil Reed Amar, author of CNN's Why Ted Cruz is eligible to be president wrote: NOTE: nonjusticiable political question

Now, let's take a close look at the word "NATURALIZATION", its history, and FROM WHERE it was derived .
What is the root word of "Naturalization" ? Not only could the Founding Father define "natural born citizen", BUT ... THE FOUNDING FATHERS DID DEFINE IT !


The Naturalization Act of 1790, let's read it !


Take a look at the original one WRITTEN BY our FOUNDING FATHERS,
and VERIFY IT FOR YOURSELF in the list of NAMES of the members of our FIRST CONGRESS !



1st United States Congress, 21-26 Senators and 59-65 Representatives


Finally, read the latest from links provided by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), the government agency that oversees lawful immigration to the United States. READ IT VERY CLOSELY.
100 posted on 02/06/2016 12:03:40 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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