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Republican Debate Shows Where Comprehensive Immigration Is Headed: Nowhere
Townhall.com ^ | February 2, 2016 | Michael Barone

Posted on 02/02/2016 6:13:16 AM PST by Kaslin

Donald Trump was absent from Fox News' Republican debate Thursday night, presiding at his own event seven minutes' drive away featuring cameo appearances by the two previous Iowa Republican caucus winners exiled now to the undercard debate, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum. But the issue Trump raised to high-decibel level at his announcement last June was front and center at the main event: immigration.

It was raised midway through the debate by the moderator Trump cited as the reason for his non-participation, Megyn Kelly. She ran videotape montages of previous comments on the issue by Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, and asked them to explain the discrepancies between what they said then and their positions now. She could have played a similar montage for Trump if he had shown up.

Marco Rubio had the toughest task, to explain why he co-sponsored the 2013 Gang of Eight bill with a path for citizenship for illegal aliens. Rubio said the bill did not provide the "blanket amnesty" he campaigned against in 2010 and which he said was part of the 2007 bill that failed in the Democratic-majority Senate.

With characteristic deftness Rubio segued into his current position: complete the southern border fence, mandatory E-Verify and visa tracking and no legalization or citizenship for illegals until "we can prove to the people of this country that illegal immigration is under control."

Kelly gave Jeb Bush a chance to point out that Rubio had changed his position --"cut and run" -- from the Gang of Eight bill, which he said he supported at Rubio's request.

Next came Ted Cruz's turn, with Kelly's video showing Cruz arguing for his amendment to Gang of Eight that would provide legalization but not citizenship for illegals. Cruz argued then that this would make the bill more passable; he argues now that it was intended as a poison pill, to break up the bipartisan coalition in support.

In reply Cruz called for more border guards, ending sanctuary cities and welfare for illegals. He pointed out that this amendment was supported by leading Gang of Eight opponent Sen. Jeff Sessions and western Iowa Congressman Steve King.

Kelly then called on Rand Paul, now back in a prime-time debate, who said that Cruz wanted to pass a bill with legalization. "He can't have it both ways," Paul said, and argued that Cruz had "an authenticity problem" by suggesting that "everybody's for amnesty except Ted Cruz."

It's undeniable that both Rubio and Cruz have changed their positions since 2013. For immigration restrictionists, such as best-selling author Ann Coulter and maverick Democratic blogger Mickey Kaus, that's disqualifying. Once past the election, they argue, these guys will flip back and with the cooperation of House Speaker Paul Ryan will shove through a path to legalization that will incentivize further illegal immigration.

Presumably, they believe that Donald Trump, who also supported forms of legalization, wouldn't because he has become so identified with the issue.

But the effective reality, as National Review's Ramesh Ponnuru has argued, is that immigration has become a Republican litmus test issue. Rubio's and Cruz's deft maneuvering off their previous positions proves that. And Rubio is persuasive in arguing that a bill with legalization can't be passed until the American people -- i.e., Republican voters -- are convinced that enforcement has been made effective.

My sense is that a President Rubio or President Cruz would be as bound by their current positions as a President Trump. The demand for legalization has diminished -- polls show Hispanics not much concerned -- and Democrats will balk at legalization and insist on citizenship (for what they believe will be many new Democratic voters).

Paul Ryan is not likely to spend the huge amount of political capital required to pass a bill supported mainly by Democrats and opposed by a large majority of House Republicans.

Donald Trump's candidacy, however it turns out, has changed the immigration calculus for Republican politicians. Some Republicans fear that Hispanics would make Arizona, Texas and Florida as solidly Democratic as California, but these fears are unfounded.

Arizona and Texas remain safely Republican and Florida still securely marginal, and each is getting more newcomers from other states than from immigration. And California would be safely Democratic if not a single Hispanic voted.

Meanwhile, the threat of terrorism strengthens the argument for effective border and internal enforcement, which if possible would tend to reduce the illegal population. The opening for "comprehensive" immigration legislation seems to have closed.


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1 posted on 02/02/2016 6:13:16 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

GOOD!


2 posted on 02/02/2016 6:20:46 AM PST by rstrahan
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To: Kaslin

“Comprehensive Immigration Reform” = Euphemism for “Amnesty”.


3 posted on 02/02/2016 6:21:29 AM PST by Sans-Culotte (''Political correctness is communist propaganda writ small''~ Theodore Dalrymple)
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To: Kaslin

It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.


4 posted on 02/02/2016 6:22:11 AM PST by Lopeover (2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Just shows how politically correct rewriting of the language only gets you so far. Eventually the new phrase gets just as much of a stink on it as the old phrase and you have to rewrite it again.


5 posted on 02/02/2016 6:22:44 AM PST by JediJones ("How stupid are the people of Iowa?" -Donald Trump, November 12, 2015)
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To: Kaslin; All

BULL!

Rubio is the GOPe’s guy and Fox is non-stomp pimping for him.

Trump and Cruz will kill each other off (look at these boards for proof) and Rubio will slide in, high-heeled boots style for the win.

Gang of 8 in place.

Then who wins doesn’t matter in November. The Uniparty will be in power and shove Scamnesty through.


6 posted on 02/02/2016 6:23:56 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Kaslin

Comprehensive Immigration Reform is simply following the law. Means no one is allowed in this country illegally, employers who hire illegals are fined, and cities that declare themselves sanctuary cities are punished.

We have laws for all of these already there.

Exactly why is that going nowhere?


7 posted on 02/02/2016 6:28:11 AM PST by doldrumsforgop
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To: Kaslin

One step at a time.
Secure the border.
Cut illegal aliens off from freebies.
Punish employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.
THEN we can talk about an ‘amnesty.’

No ‘comprehensive’ immigration bill, ever again. In fact no ‘comprehensive’ anything ever again.


8 posted on 02/02/2016 6:35:20 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: TigerClaws

Amen.


9 posted on 02/02/2016 6:40:03 AM PST by alternatives? (Cruz or Trump)
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To: TigerClaws

All I am saying is that you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong you are.


10 posted on 02/02/2016 7:02:24 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: Kaslin
Its undeniable that both Rubio and Cruz have changed their positions since 2013. For immigration restrictionists, such as best-selling author Ann Coulter and maverick Democratic blogger Mickey Kaus, that's disqualifying. Once past the election, they argue, these guys will flip back and with the cooperation of House Speaker Paul Ryan will shove through a path to legalization that will incentivize further illegal immigration.

An accurate summation of Cruz and Rubio, and the scenario that would most likely play out if either were elected. Flip/flop/flip/flop/flip, etc., it's hard to keep track of whether their most recent changes are a flip or a flop.

11 posted on 02/02/2016 7:07:55 AM PST by Will88
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To: Kaslin

Bull, Rubio for sure would sign comprehensive immigration reform if elected. And Cruz would sign a slightly tougher bill if he is elected.


12 posted on 02/02/2016 7:11:04 AM PST by jpsb (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied. Otto von Bismark)
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To: Little Ray

“One step at a time.
Secure the border.
Cut illegal aliens off from freebies.
Punish employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens.”

IMO if these step are taken and rigorously enforced there would be a stampede of illegals returning to their home countries. Deportation of the remainder will then be much more manageable.


13 posted on 02/02/2016 7:18:57 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: TigerClaws

How does a guy who was getting NOWHERE suddenly rise up neck and neck with the frontrunner? Cheating is how. Something nasty is afoot here.

It’s important we challenge these results that make no sense or the Establishment is going to kill our liberty movement and take its “rightful” place as our masters once again.


14 posted on 02/02/2016 7:19:10 AM PST by uncitizen (TRUMP THE SYSTEM)
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To: uncitizen

They still are in control and they will not allow themselves to lose that control.

They will do what is necessary to keep it.


15 posted on 02/02/2016 7:24:15 AM PST by dforest
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To: Kaslin
Border security is a national security issue.

Immigration is a public policy issue.

In the latter you may compromise. You cannot compromise with the former. Therefore a "comprehensive" immigration plan that includes border security is a non-starter.

16 posted on 02/02/2016 7:24:22 AM PST by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Sans-Culotte

We can have comprehensive immigration reform. It just isn’t going to be what the left wants


17 posted on 02/02/2016 7:25:05 AM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Kaslin

The only thing “broken” about our current immigration policy is that the jackasses in the government aren’t enforcing it. Creating more rules and laws isn’t going to help that one bit.


18 posted on 02/02/2016 7:27:55 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Viruses and diseases must be DemocRATS. They love open borders.)
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To: elpadre
Hmmm.
That might the point.

Besides the ones that would be left would probably fall into one of two groups - criminals and entrepreneurs. We MIGHT want to keep the second group...

19 posted on 02/02/2016 7:29:48 AM PST by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: dforest

Yes i know. But we’ve made great headway and this is a step back for us now.


20 posted on 02/02/2016 7:37:35 AM PST by uncitizen (TRUMP THE SYSTEM)
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