Cruz Right, Trump Wrong On Ethanol

American Thinker ^ | January 30, 2016 | Daniel John Sobieski

[raptor22]

It has been said that if we were getting so-called “alternative” energy from potatoes instead of corn, the first primary/caucus would be held in Idaho instead of Iowa. As it is, ethanol from corn in the first state where votes are actually cast in a presidential election has led to endless political pandering in support of a fuel that consumes more energy than it provides, is difficult to transport, reduces car mileage, can damage auto enegines, and damages the environment.

[TornadoAlley3]

I hate ISIS.

[annieokie]

OH how funny......now everyone will want a DOO like Trumps.:)

[annieokie]

I thought so as well. Maybe we will get the answer here.

Did I also hear that the Meat Companies will not longer have to label the meats. I think so, which made me think I will have to find a reputable butcher near by. Or start eating Venison.

[xjcsa]

It has been said that if we were getting so-called "alternative" energy from potatoes instead of corn, the first primary/caucus would be held in Idaho instead of Iowa.

I believe the converse is true: if the first primary/caucus were in Idaho, we would be getting our "alternative" energy from potatoes instead of corn.

[xjcsa]

True, but on the list of things that need to be fixed, this is well down in the double digits.

Trump is unreliable at best on the rest of the list as well.

[MaggiesPitchfork]

Farmers aren’t farmers anymore if all they’re doing is growing corn for mandated engine-killing swill. Before Trump said ethanol was cool, 100% of this forum was against ethanol subsidies and mandates.

[DaxtonBrown]

“True, but on the list of things that need to be fixed, this is well down in the double digits.”

Actually, it is high on the things that need fixing, because if you can’t tame the ethanol beast, what can you accomplish? This is one boondoggle that is hated by small government conservatives AND environmentalists.

But sure, let’s all be crony Republicans feeding at the trough.

[Nuc 1.1]

Corrosion, and deterioration of flexible fuel lines seems to be the biggest problems associated with ethanol. The stuff sucks up moisture from the air like a vacuum cleaner. Periodic addition of a drying agent to the gas will help with this. I wouldn't leave it in my carb(s) for an extended storage period. That said, E85 has performance advantages at the price point provided your fuel system was initially designed or modified to use it. Static compression ratios of 12 to 1 can be used without resorting to more exotic architecture such as direct fuel injection into the combustion chamber or long duration cams to prevent detonation. And it allows you to increase boost in supercharged applications. Again at an inexpensive price point. The down side is you have to burn more of it, about a third more than gasoline, to equal the heat output. So some advantages and disadvantages. The real problem is government coercion requiring the use of it. That should be stopped.

[DaxtonBrown]

“I’m tired of supporting terrorists will oil money. I’d rather pay a little more to support American farmers. To each his own.”

But since ethanol is a net energy wash, you are still paying foreign oil AND subsidizing farmers to destroy the soil. Now that’s really smart.

[SC_Pete]

Yup. Trade imbalances, illegal immigration, job creation and economic growth, military, and national security. Then we can talk about ethanol. Go, Trump.

[xjcsa]

Public Records...That may be so.....But do you think the fact that they all have a 55% record is contained in those "Public Records". I don't think so.

Those records indicate which elections you voted in or did not vote in; converting that information into a percentage is trivial.

They certainly have no business snitching to me on my neighbor or on me to my neighbor.

They're certainly gambling that the backlash will be less than the effect on increased turnout of their voters.

What's interesting is that caucus participation is *not* public record; the info they're sending out is from general election and primary election records. To get caucus attendance records they would have to purchase them from the state party.

[raptor22]

CRUZ RIGHT, TRUMP WRONG ON ETHANOL

[ru4liberty]

That works too.

[Outlaw76]

You are picking the farmer to support though. When converting food to fuel you raise the price of the food.

Cattle farmers, pig farmers, and chicken farmers pay a heavy price for that subsidy.

And then we all pay for it in the grocery store.

[metmom]

Support American farmers by requiring origin labeling on food and buying American grown food. Don’t support them by having them burn food in an inefficient scam.

Absolutely.

the times I've been able to use 100% gas, the ethanol free stuff, my gas mileage has gone up 10%.

It's not saving any gas. We just use more of the diluted crap.

[Outlaw76]

Isn’t this thread about ethanol subsidies?
Your story is compelling enough for its own thread.

[odawg]

“CRUZ RIGHT, TRUMP WRONG ON ETHANOL”

Okay, okay, I am convinced and just sent Cruz my credit card number.

[annieokie]

YEP......CRUZ 2016.

[cripplecreek]

Its standard conservative doctrine that subsidies for anything is wrong.

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.
-Ronald Reagan

[odawg]

“Is there no rationalization to which supporters of Donald Trump will not resort?”

I just read some of your posts on the campaign letter Cruz sent out. Therefore, we can reverse that question to you.