Posted on 01/26/2016 12:14:25 AM PST by Impala64ssa
Edited on 01/26/2016 12:20:05 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Bingo, that's exactly what separates American engineers from Indian engineers.
Here's the problem as I see it: "Engineering" is no longer valued in this country. It's viewed as a commodity skill, globally available and to be sourced to the lowest cost "provider."
I've been in Information Technology for over 30 years now. How I've survived at the level I'm at I consider to be fortunate and a blessing. I've seen people I've considered better than me shown the door in favor of cheaper Indian labor for YEARS now.
American Engineers are multi-talented, and not just in the basic STEM disciplines. Many also have business level experience, can relate to business people, and figure out how to obtain requirements from them in order to deliver a product or service efficiently. There's a real skill involved in talking to business people on their level, then separately to engineers and others involved in the product creation process that American Engineers have that Indian engineers do not.
Indian engineers typically have one or two highly focused skills. As a result, it takes MULTIPLE Indian engineers to match the disciplines of a single American Engineer. When the 'bean counters' run an organization, as long as the multiple Indian engineers required to replace a single American Engineer are cheaper, the American gets displaced and the Indians walk in the door. Then there's the fact that American Engineers are far more productive, take less development cycle type to deliver a product, and the quality is higher. Those "soft costs" aren't counted and by the time some organizations figure out they haven't really saved any money (and in fact are spending MORE) it's often far too late for the American workers that have been displaced.
I've seen that more times than I can recall in the last 15 years now.
And then there's the EXPLOITATION of the Indian engineers who (as I've seen) literally 'live in the office' for two years and have no lives to speak of. All for the promise of a green card that often never comes. They themselves get 'replaced' by another Indian engineer and have to 'go home' before their two year stint is completed, thus denying them their green card and permanent residency status.
This is the 'game' that big businesses are playing in this country and they're screwing more people and more lives than just their 'workers' ... it's damaging our economy, driving down our own standard of living and killing the middle class.
That's just truth. This is NOT the capitalism I grew up with in America. This is something completely different and more often than not, I don't recognize what our economy and system of government is anymore. I just know it's not what I grew up with.
Not just extremely low wages, wages that are so low these Indian's often live 10+ together in a house or apartment, while some of them literally live in the office spaces in which they're working.
They're also given the promise of a green card and permanent residency here in the U.S. which frequently DOES NOT HAPPEN. They're themselves replaced by another Indian contractor as their own contract expires, which means they're denied/don't qualify for their green card and have to go back home.
That's a big piece of the untold story that is so often ignored by the media, politicians, big business. EVERYONE involved is being exploited.
I’ll take a skilled, talented American born slacker over some red-dot Indian schemer, memorization expert any day.
The BEST engineers are the ones that figure out the best and laziest way around a difficult problem.
All I ever got from the ones that worked for me was excessive diversion in to intricacies they found useful to drag out the problem that NEVER met the real challenge.
Elegance is simplicity. Simplicity is often borne from laziness. You have to channel that laziness and inventiveness carefully, but it pays off big when it works.
There is separation of powers to be considered; an imperial presidency is too high a price to pay even to stop H-1B. But the president can certainly bring a lot of influence to bear.
Regardless, there is no stipulation in the US Constitution that we MUST allow immigration into this country. It is solely the purview of the State Department (under direction by the Chief Executive). It is a fictitious right the left has concocted to overcome the fact their bullshit tenets don’t convince Homeland Americans that we need the diversity and richness of immigrants to ‘complete us.’
Agreed.
It is solely the purview of the State Department (under direction by the Chief Executive).
Not so - Article I of the Constitution gives the authority to Congress.
Enough with the H1B Visas. I work in Silicon Valley, and see the flood of H1B tech immigrants. We must have an immigration freeze, like we did from 1925-1965 to assimilate the new immigrants and increase employment for US Citizens!
Yet the administration and execution of it has been given over to the State Department, under control of the President.
and who ever was naive enough to think it was because there weren’t enough “skilled†workers here?
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I lost a job to h-1b’s ,, pretty funny ,, HR couldn’t find any qualified Americans ,, nobody had 5 years experience with a particular software product but all the foreigners did... of course the particular product had only been on the market for a year and a half...
Bitterly funny.
lol!!!!!!
i’m slow today. took me five minutes of staring at it to get it.
5 year, on the market 1.5 rofl
though i’m sorry you lost a job to it.
“what’s that on your uniform?” :)
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