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To: BlackElk
If people calling you a "Clintonite" are making a racial presumption...

Why would you go there with no knowledge? They called her that because she posted it in the past.

172 posted on 01/24/2016 7:36:43 PM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Fundamentally Fair; BlackElk

So what if I did? I explained my position. Who are they and you to judge me?


186 posted on 01/24/2016 7:59:18 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel ("God only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defence." (Psa 62:2))
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To: Fundamentally Fair
Apparently Trump voted for Obozo in 2008. I don't hold that against him. I just figure that his judgment has improved since then. Why, assuming that BFAC ever voted for Obama and I have no reason to know that she did, would I hold her to a higher standard than that to which I hold Trump? Trump and I and Cruz, for that matter, never served in the military. She did.

She has earned the right, then and now, to support ANY candidate of her choice. Hers is not the mere "birthright" to vote that you, she and I and Cruz and Trump share. Robert Heinlein, an alumnus of the US Naval Academy, was unable to serve on active duty thereafter because his health was failing at an early age. He was a Libertarian as I tend not to be and a major science fiction novelist but Heinlein theorized in Starship Troopers and other novels that ONLY veterans should be allowed to vote OR that they each get two votes. Not sure that I agree but each veteran has earned the RIGHT to vote more than I have.

And note, that BFAC and I are in disagreement in that she deems Trump the better candidate and I prefer Cruz.

Why would I go there? It is quite plausible that there are folks who assume she MUST have voted Democrat BECAUSE she is black. The party one votes for is NOT a racial characteristic. It MAY result from the GOP-E's fussiness about approaching blacks on ISSUES like military, abortion, marriage, guns and such.

I have a friend, Bob Cottrell, whom I have not seen for a while, who is teaching history now at California State University at Chico. He is black. He is a former National Board member of Young People's Socialist League (which was the youth group of a then much more patriotic AFL-CIO under George Meany).

Bob is as strong a proponent of the 2nd Amendment as Charlton Heston ever was. He also believes in one rule of warfare: We win, they lose. Yale educated, Bob has done magnificent work researching the desire of the sponsors of the Fourteenth Amendment that the slaves then recently freed by the Civil War have the same range of rights as those enjoyed by all other Americans including the right to be armed to protect home and family, that gun control is usually enforced (unconstitutionally in many respects and there is NO constitutional basis for ANY gun control) in the inner city because many folks in charge fear blacks with guns more than they fear whites with guns. In his concurring opinion in the case of Heller vs. District of Columbia, Mr. Justice Clarence Thomas quoted Bob Cottrell's work extensively to underline the importance of the 2nd Amendment to blacks under the Fourteenth Amendment. SCOTUS upheld Heller's 2nd Amendment rights. Thanks, Bob.

There are people who call themselves "conservative" who resent even the early civil rights movement. In the late 1980s, the late Presbyterian but conservative pastor, D. James Kennedy commissioned a video in support of Operation Rescue. One person interviewed in the video had been a California black man whom Ronaldus Maximus appointed head of the US Civil Rights Commission. That man said that civil rights were a gift BY black Americans to all Americans. He spoke against a backdrop of file footage of Bull Connor and his dogs and waterhoses that attacked civil right demonstrators and footage of the struggle at the Selma, Alabama Edmund Pettis bridge, replete with tear gas and police nightstick atrocities. The gentleman essentially said that, while blacks bore the physical brunt of resisting the Klan and its servants, the resulting favoritism for civil rights applied with special force to pro-life demonstrators, regardless of race and those engaged in direct action against abortion.

Many conservatives failed to support Operation Rescue or the Pro-Life Action Network because those were too "radical" for their tastes. By now, we should be used to the fact that the USA was forged in a valid and morally justified revolution and that the pro-life movement and particularly its most militant wing are simply a modern extension of the Declaration of Independence, our statement of revolutionary principles. Judicial tyranny every bit as vicious as that of the Brits and a lot more deadly have slaughtered 60+ million innocent unborn babies of every race and ancestry. The GOP-E won't campaign on that to blacks because they are verrrrry uncomfortable doing so.

Just why don't we as conservatives approach the blacks in this country not with nonsense about "my party, right or wrong" but with issues that actually resonate with them? I suspect that it is because many of the children of the elite are amoral Philistines who want to be able to kill their unborn if the existence of their unborn would be embarrassing or inconvenient or because Lance wants to "marry" Bruce. It is estimated that up to 40% of black babies conceived are aborted. Their daddies and mommies lack the guts to stand up to their negligently raised spoiled snowflake kiddies.

My relationship with God and obedience to Him is a LOT more important to me than elections but, maybe, just maybe, if the GOP started adopting that attitude it would do a LOT better with many intensely religious black fellow citizens. That would not be the purpose but it would be a natural fringe benefit of moral behavior.

253 posted on 01/24/2016 9:42:24 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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