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Do Iowa voters really care about ethanol anymore?
Hot Air.com ^ | January 23, 2016 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 01/23/2016 7:55:50 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: thackney

if hacks from the oil industry, including enemy countries that sell us oil, can print lies for public consumption, how can there ever be a free market based on facts? There is no free market since all of capitalism is crony capitalism in order to survive. You are talking of the ideal, which doesn’t exist. ETOH is simply one good piece of the portable energy pie and it is readily renewable. It represents captured sunlight and CO2.


61 posted on 01/25/2016 5:15:53 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

If it is a good option, why is its use mandated? Why would the market not choose to use it on its own worth?


62 posted on 01/25/2016 5:19:03 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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The original mandate instituted to get the massive infrastructure that was necessary off the ground and in place. I would like to see natural gas follow a similar mandate if we can ever hope to expand this piece of the energy pie infrastructure. The Feds are wasting about 70% of our taxes on welfare.


63 posted on 01/25/2016 5:32:20 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I would like our government to be limited to the constitution, and not be used to pick winners and losers in private industry.

T.Boone Pickens has done very well making money. He doesn’t need the feds to boost his Natural Gas Fueling company.


64 posted on 01/25/2016 5:44:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Neoliberalnot

First you claim we have been using ETOh since the 70s, then you claim we needed the 2005 Mandate to get it off the ground.

Which is it?


65 posted on 01/25/2016 5:45:46 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

In the 70s it was restricted to the Midwest because of limited production capacity. The goals for the entire country were cleaner energy and reduction in dependence on oil purchased from enemies killing Americans. What additives do you consider acceptable? Why not use something easily renewable made in America?


66 posted on 01/26/2016 5:02:42 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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In the 70s it was restricted to the Midwest because of limited production capacity.

Which demonstrates by the rest of the country, it wasn't required as a lead replacement.

What additives do you consider acceptable?

It doesn't require additives. The gasoline itself through refinery process can have enough 2,2,4-Trimethylpentane and the like to not require additives.

I have no problem with ethanol used in the free market. I have a great problem with a government mandated ethanol because the people won't choose it on their own.

67 posted on 01/26/2016 6:49:43 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Neoliberalnot

A Balanced Approach to Octane Replacement
http://www.unep.org/transport/pcfv/PDF/BalancedApproach(Lee-Chook).pdf

Lots of options exist


68 posted on 01/26/2016 7:31:03 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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The market is profit motivated. Sometimes profit comes before what is good for people.


69 posted on 01/26/2016 11:20:02 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: thackney

Not a bad link. ETOH looked pretty good by several measures. I didn’t see anything on the trimethyl pentane. Does it fall under alkylates? What business are you in?


70 posted on 01/26/2016 11:22:15 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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I’m an electrical engineer, specialized in power systems. I do contact design engineering. Mostly for oil, gas, petrochemical, but even an occasional small project for wind, radar, military base, etc...


71 posted on 01/26/2016 2:28:35 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Lots of evil is done by an overbearing government, claimed for the good of the people.


72 posted on 01/26/2016 2:31:18 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Agreed. I am well aware that governments committed democide and killed in excess of 100 million people in the 20th century alone.


73 posted on 01/26/2016 6:00:37 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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