Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Do Iowa voters really care about ethanol anymore?
Hot Air.com ^ | January 23, 2016 | JAZZ SHAW

Posted on 01/23/2016 7:55:50 AM PST by Kaslin

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-73 next last
To: Kaslin

What happened to butanol?
It was supposed to be much better than ethanol.


21 posted on 01/23/2016 8:34:20 AM PST by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: House Atreides

Do you mind telling me what business you are in?


22 posted on 01/23/2016 8:35:17 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: alloysteel

Much of what you write is true, but explain the scientific article excerpt I posted. How is 400 gallons of ETOH per acre not a net energy gain. The paper proves it is indeed.


23 posted on 01/23/2016 8:39:05 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: marron
I'm against it if you have to subsidize it with tax money.

Two Cheers for Ethanol Subsidies Expiring - but Costly Mandate Remains
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/01/ethanol-subsidies-expiring-but-the-costly-mandate-remains
January 17, 2012

Two federal policies expired at the close of the year: the federal tax credit for blending ethanol into gasoline and a 54 cent-per-gallon tariff on imported ethanol. A diverse group of fiscal watchdogs, environmentalists, and free-trade proponents all hailed this as a major victory. While the tax credit and tariff expirations are a good start, the real burden on consumers is that producers will continue to blend ethanol into gasoline - because they are federally required to do so.

24 posted on 01/23/2016 8:44:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

As Roy Orbison would say:

ONYLYyyy.........the lonely.


25 posted on 01/23/2016 8:48:01 AM PST by biff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Sheese, meant to say FARMERS!!!


26 posted on 01/23/2016 8:49:03 AM PST by biff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Zuse
What happened to butanol? It was supposed to be much better than ethanol.

Do you consider more toxic and more expensive, better?

27 posted on 01/23/2016 8:49:35 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: biff
Roy Orbison - Only The Lonely
28 posted on 01/23/2016 8:54:30 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Neoliberalnot
Yes he is. Got anything against it?

just asking asking

29 posted on 01/23/2016 8:57:15 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

Betcha ton of Iowans saw it for what it is - very obvious pandering.


30 posted on 01/23/2016 9:13:19 AM PST by libbylu (Cruz: The truth with a smile.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Neoliberalnot

In that context, federal income tax deductions are subsidies too. Do you take this form of welfare?
***************************************************************************
Ahh...so you are of the view that all my income belongs FIRST to the state and anything our benevelant government allows me to keep is a subsidy?


31 posted on 01/23/2016 9:20:11 AM PST by House Atreides (Cruzin' [BUT NO LONGER Trumping'] or losin'!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Neoliberalnot

Refineries once used Pb in gas too. How did that work so much better? Should we still burn leaded gas so we can inhale the fumes in big cities?
******************************************************************************
So now you’ve advanced to using the old progressive argument that if we don’t MANDATE the use of ethanol, the heavy metal lead must become an additive to gasoline. Prohibition of (ACTUAL) poisonous products is a legitimate function of government mandating the use of something such as ethanol is not.

Try not to mix the two in an illogical manner.


32 posted on 01/23/2016 9:25:25 AM PST by House Atreides (Cruzin' [BUT NO LONGER Trumping'] or losin'!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Neoliberalnot

Do you mind telling me what business you are in?
********************************************************
Of course I mind...it’s bad enough that the Obama regime operatives in the federal government know it...I don’t care to share private information with potential trolls on the internet.

I will tell you I’m not involved in any petroleum-related business.


33 posted on 01/23/2016 9:29:50 AM PST by House Atreides (Cruzin' [BUT NO LONGER Trumping'] or losin'!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

The subsidy will be around for a long time just like all subsidies. That’s what reps do.....feed its constituents.


34 posted on 01/23/2016 9:31:22 AM PST by Sacajaweau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Kaslin

I didn’t read the whole article. But as a Texan I certainly don’t support oil subsidies, and while I’m all for a successful oil industry, I wouldn’t base my vote for a presidential candidate based on just that. So much attention goes to Iowa and it seems they hold the corn subsidy up as a bribe to the candidates.


35 posted on 01/23/2016 9:34:04 AM PST by Rusty0604 (1)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Neoliberalnot

Factoring in ALL the costs, and determining if the number of BTUs in the ethanol is greater than the number of BTUs used (as Diesel fuel and/or natural gas) in the planting, cultivation, and harvest, the transportation to the ethanol distillery, the actual input of energy required to brew, distill and collect the now 95% ethanol, then transporting the product to the refineries for combining into the retail product gasoline.

Now compare, on a cost basis, the energy required to convert a fraction of the natural gas (ethylene) to ethanol

C2H4 (ethylene) + H2O (water vapor) (in presence of a catalyst) -—> C2H5OH (ethanol)

Fast, being done on an industrial scale already, and MUCH less expensive than using corn or other grains to produce ethanol.

If the idea is to simply have ethanol mandated for motor fuel component.


36 posted on 01/23/2016 9:37:45 AM PST by alloysteel (If I considered the consequences of my actions, I would rarely do anything.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: thackney; Neoliberalnot
Two Cheers for Ethanol Subsidies Expiring - but Costly Mandate Remains

Thanks. I do put my foot in it once in a while.

:)

37 posted on 01/23/2016 10:09:26 AM PST by marron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Zuse

The butanol lobby doesn’t have first in the nation election primaries.


38 posted on 01/23/2016 10:13:49 AM PST by cornfedcowboy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: GodGunsGuts

I agree. Palin is out there to keep her name in the public eye. She is quite the self-promoter.


39 posted on 01/23/2016 10:30:16 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: reaganaut

Actually, subsidies hurt recipients, too. There was a great piece on this topic at the website of the foundation for economic education (I think that was the name, can’t find the piece now).

Why do subsidies hurt recipients? Because it prevents them from seeing their mistakes. They continue to make bad decisions because there is no correction. It’s rather like what would happen if you couldn’t feel pain. Sounds great, but then you wouldn’t know when you touched a hot burner.

The free market is the only thing that works. Everything the government does to tinker with that hurts everyone.


40 posted on 01/23/2016 10:34:19 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-73 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson