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To: Future Snake Eater
Rubio won’t do anything about it, nor will Bush. Cruz might give it a weak stab, but that’s it.

This is simply not true. We know that Cruz and Rubio have advocated for a border wall. I believe Bush has too.

Trump has suggested that he will deport all illegals (which may or may not be practical), but he has also said that they can return -which is still amnesty.

On the other hand, Trump talks tough, won't be pushed around, and is good at getting things done. But there is nothing to suggest that he will be any better at solving our immigration or national security problems than either of his other two main competitors.

To me, all of this finger pointing and demonization of individual candidates seems a lot like tribalism.

But yes, we do know from Trump's life history that he lies all the time. It's not because he is immoral though. It's because he is a businessman. He feels like due diligence is the obligation of the counterparty, and that anything legal done in the interest of bringing a deal to closure is acceptable.

82 posted on 01/20/2016 5:20:32 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
This is simply not true. We know that Cruz and Rubio have advocated for a border wall. I believe Bush has too.

They said it. Do you actually believe Rubio and Bush would do it? Governor "Act of Love" and Senator "Support Amnesty or You're a Racist"? I sure as hell don't.

he has also said that they can return -which is still amnesty.

Depends on how he lets them in. If there's no screening whatsoever and we rubber stamp anyone/everyone who floods through his big, beautiful wall, then, yes. Does that sound like the likely course of action?

But there is nothing to suggest that he will be any better at solving our immigration or national security problems than either of his other two main competitors.

No, but there's nothing to suggest that he'd be any worse than the clown show running the place for the last few decades either.

To me, all of this finger pointing and demonization of individual candidates seems a lot like tribalism.

In some cases. Some folks have genuine reasons for disliking particular candidates. Is it tribalism to understand who and what Lindsey Graham is and call him as such? Bush and Rubio have shown us who they are on numerous occasions; they are known quantities, and I don't believe they're worth the effort to stand in line and vote. Cruz is OK, but he's basically the right-wing Obama. He has very little experience, he's hell on wheels when he speaks (especially in debates, his true medium), and he thinks tactically rather than strategically which is why he has no influence left in the Senate. I don't buy the "birther" thing, but I've seen that issue hotly debated here for years, so I don't care if people raise it in public.

Trump is very much a flawed man, but he's a fascinating candidate with a hell of a lot of practical experience running a massive organization and doing it well.

83 posted on 01/20/2016 5:46:04 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: presidio9
This is simply not true. We know that Cruz and Rubio have advocated for a border wall. I believe Bush has too.

They said it. Do you actually believe Rubio and Bush would do it? Governor "Act of Love" and Senator "Support Amnesty or You're a Racist"? I sure as hell don't.

he has also said that they can return -which is still amnesty.

Depends on how he lets them in. If there's no screening whatsoever and we rubber stamp anyone/everyone who floods through his big, beautiful wall, then, yes. Does that sound like the likely course of action?

But there is nothing to suggest that he will be any better at solving our immigration or national security problems than either of his other two main competitors.

No, but there's nothing to suggest that he'd be any worse than the clown show running the place for the last few decades either.

To me, all of this finger pointing and demonization of individual candidates seems a lot like tribalism.

In some cases. Some folks have genuine reasons for disliking particular candidates. Is it tribalism to understand who and what Lindsey Graham is and call him as such? Bush and Rubio have shown us who they are on numerous occasions; they are known quantities, and I don't believe they're worth the effort to stand in line and vote. Cruz is OK, but he's basically the right-wing Obama. He has very little experience, he's hell on wheels when he speaks (especially in debates, his true medium), and he thinks tactically rather than strategically which is why he has no influence left in the Senate. I don't buy the "birther" thing, but I've seen that issue hotly debated here for years, so I don't care if people raise it in public.

Trump is very much a flawed man, but he's a fascinating candidate with a hell of a lot of practical experience running a massive organization and doing it well.

84 posted on 01/20/2016 5:46:04 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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