I wish somebody would, I am getting sea sick.
Forget the Peruvian connection. Haven’t we had enough presidents whose parents were employed by the Ford Foundation?
Born on US soil to US citizen parents. Our country deserves nothing less.
The meaning is simple and was always resolved. The New York Times and people who profess not to know the meaning are simply ignorant or pretending to be ignorant of a customary legal principle that has been in usage for centuries.
I have a super fundamentalist Christian gf who says if you’re not born of water (i.e you had a Cesarean section birth) you’re not natural born. (see:John 3:5)
I agree that this should be resolved, so I hope we get some cases with expedited schedules and reviews. Pretty confident as to how the Court would decide, but it would be of benefit to everyone to actually have a decision.
Is it possible to start making it an issue at the State level? Candidates have to be certified in some manner to go on State ballots. I decided this morning to write to my Secretary of State, my State Republican Party, and my local newspaper. One letter won’t bother anyone but what about thousands? The Secretary of State is an elected official.
I hate the new york times. However now is as good a time as any to get this issue over with once and for all.
Good idea!... lets start with why the dual parent citizenship + birthplace is important.
Hint: Think in terms of our founding fathers trying to prevent intentional userpation of the office by a foreign power.
Note: Because of our free and open electoral process, NO set of qualifications we could impose on candidates would be totally foolproof against intentional foreign exploitation. Even using the birthplace + dual parent citizenship can be exploited. This is why years of residence are also specified in constitutional law.
I think they will “Punt it” because the establishment would have to admit they F***ED up with vetting Obama, and if they Kick Cruz out they would have to take Obama with him.
Personally I think the term “Natural Born” means you obtain your citizenship “By Blood” rather than “By Soil” or “By Process” (ie. Naturalization from another country”.
I also think the constitution gave congress the power to write legislation covering the conditions of citizenship and how to apply it. Which if so Obama is ineligible because his mother was too young to convey blood citizenship via the law in effect at the time he was born. Paradoxically if Cruz is eligible due to this law, then Obama is not.
“Soil Citizenship” was the norm during the time of Kings and Emperors to “claim subjects” under THEIR control if they were born on THEIR land.
The Progressives LOVE “Soil Citizenship” because it is a direct endorsement of the process of “Anchor Babies” and they crave adding more Subjects to control and to have them vote for their power. It also make Obama that more Legitimate to claim Soil Citizenship with him supposedly being born in Hawaii.
It’s simple.
Within citizenry of US
1). Naturalized - Has green card. Later passes citizenship test, goes through ceremony. Gets naturalization papers.
2). Natural born - All others.
That may very well be the case as I have serious doubts any consequential court in the land will touch it.
Also, there need to be more stipulations to be president. Obama is an example. His heart was never an all-American heart. He was raised elsewhere, under a different culture and his background and history is still under suspicion....with sealed school records, etc.
I don't trust the voters at all. The next snake-oil salesman can come out of any scenario you can think of. What if you have an American parent or parents but have been raised in Russia, Cuba, North Korea, Iran, South America..anywhere for the first 30 years or so of your life? You can still run for president? You would not be culturally American...with the same values and American experiences.
This issue needs to be addressed, discussed, argued about, and finally clarified. This is more important than ever.
It is resolved.
What you’re saying is we need the Court to say it’s something different than what the constitution says. And they’ll only be too happy to say it means anyone can be president since there can not be any second class of “citizens”.
You got a citizen parent, then you are natural born citizen. One black parent seems too indicate you are black. One Indian parent seems to indicate you are Indian. A Jewish mother indicates you are Jewish. A Muslim parent would indicate the child is Muslim on FR. If half your blood is citizen, then you are citizen. Half of Cruz’s blood is NB citizen. Half of Trump’s blood is NB citizen. Location of birth is irrelevant.
Too late by 8 years.
Canada had the strongest claim, at birth. I don't believe it would have been possible for Cruz to renounce his Canadian citizenship before he reached the age of majority.
None of that speaks to whatever loyalty and patriotism he has on his head, but NBC attaches at birth, a point in time where what is in our head is "just getting started."
Yes, make a clear definition of what natural born is
AND establish exactly what is necessary to be eligible to be President
AND !!! AND a PROCEDURE to examine a Candidate to be absolutely sure he or she meets the requirements.
When the NBC phrase was included in the constitution, the Redcoats had been defeated. I don't think that was the founders real concern, but that some of those in the US and Canada with divided loyalties might slip into the presidency and act in ways not in the interest of the new nation.
And I think Obama, with his Third World view of the US and his obvious affinity for Islam, proves the point that divided loyalties are not in the interest of the US.
And Rubio and Cruz cannot stop telling their families' immigration stories. We don't need presidents who are so emotional and obsessed with their family stories that they are incapable of adopting and enforcing immigration policies that would require them to say no to far would potential immigrants that they say yes to. We know what Rubio did after campaigning against amnesty while running for the Senate. And Cruz's position on immigration until Trump entered the race was to "streamline legal immigration" and "make it something to celebrate". Plus his proposal to quintuple H1-B visas.
We don't need presidents who are so influenced by family immigration stories or other experiences related to foreign nations or ideologies.
Cuban law does not recognize dual citizenship. Cuba's claim on Cruz Sr's children is extinguished when Cruz Sr. takes citizenship in any other country. I believe he took Canadian citizenship, but this was after Ted was born.
"Cuban citizens by naturalization are: i. those foreigners who acquire Cuban citizenship in accordance with the regulations established by law;"
I haven't found a source of Cuban regulations for naturalization. They are apt to be similar to what one finds in 8 USC 1401 et seq.
All just for grins. Cruz is natrualized, just curious about what claim Cuba really had, under law.
And don't think that US law doesn't consider foreign citizenship law. It does. It must, in order to decide a mixed-nationality citizenship case.
Rubio - not NBC. If you want to figure out his citizenship, you have to figure out what other countries had a claim on him. His parents did not have undivided loyalty to US.