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The Deflation Monster Has Arrived
Zero Hedge ^ | 16 Jan 16 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 01/16/2016 10:19:48 AM PST by SkyPilot

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To: reed13k

I think its hard to track all debt. It may be government debt. But its not fed government to fed government. If it is then its just showing currency balancing. Which is governments buying each others debt to hold up their own currencies or to stop their currencies from getting too strong.


101 posted on 01/16/2016 1:11:35 PM PST by poinq
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To: Rusty0604
So if a banks deposits equal $500 and they loan on a house valued at $400,they have liabilities at $500, assets at $400 plus $100 in reserves.

So far so good.

The loan defaults and the house is devalued to $100. Now they only have assets at $100 (the house) and $100 in reserves.

Okay.

The depositors demand their money back, all $500. How much can they give them? Only $100, and if they manage to sell the house it will cover some of their losses.

You bet.

So they did loan out more money than they have for demand deposits.

No. You said deposits were $500 and they loaned out $400.

102 posted on 01/16/2016 1:17:02 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

“So, who do we blame for this one?”

Uh, let’s see now, lemme figger a minit, ummm, Bush?


103 posted on 01/16/2016 1:20:35 PM PST by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: cornfedcowboy; ClearCase_guy

As Ayn Rand said, the only reason money has any value is that someone at some point WORKED FOR IT. There is a whole industry now of trying to pretend that that is not true but it is true.


104 posted on 01/16/2016 1:27:23 PM PST by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: SkyPilot

I wish somebody would tell me just how wrong I am and why but nobody can. You’re not making it any better.

As for correction. 8% is the long cycle RoR and we are about right there right now. A correction moves things to where they belong and with obongo we have not created any value in a long time.

Amazon is profitable, Google maybe, Facebook I don’t get. Just like another phone with more bells ans whistles, just how much marketing data and how much focused marketing do you need?

We have tech peaked with gadgetry in my opinion. How many more unreliable bells and whistles do you need on a vehicle? The kid next door just spent about 3 grand having he motors in the transfer case on his truck replaced after the FWD left him stranded on a S. Texas ranch. Motors on the transfer case so you can have on the dash push button FWD engagement. My Dodge has a manual lever and it works just fine thank you. Ditto for the eyesight mess on Subarus and so many other cars now. Why? Have we all gone vision impaired?

From my vantage point I see a market for old, restored and reliable stuff. But I’m probably wrong since I don’t relate to what many people want.


105 posted on 01/16/2016 2:13:59 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Money is not a solid object anymore. It is ones and zeros in a computer memory, created by a bank, and supported more by psychology than anything else.

In other words, something is worth what people are willing to pay for it.

To some, a $300 silk tie from Nieman Marcus is worth it.

To others, the $300 would be better spent on heroin.

The U.S. dollar is also a commodity, exactly like that—based on perception—except that we have so far caused the oil powers to require it in return for their necessary commodity.

As an aside: The attack on oil is actually an attack on the American economy, which for the past few decades has been based upon the export of dollars . . . ultimately, for oil.


106 posted on 01/16/2016 2:24:04 PM PST by Disestablishmentarian
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To: Sequoyah101

I like your point about cars today. Also, we bought an old sowing machine and apple peeler at a flea market. These products were manufactured to work reliably and last 1,000 years.


107 posted on 01/16/2016 2:57:26 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Because consumption also takes place. What is a hundred dollars we of groceries worth 2 weeks later?


108 posted on 01/16/2016 3:34:13 PM PST by xzins (Have YOU Donated to the Freep-a-Thon? https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Where did the “reserves” come from to expand lending during the previous housing bubble? Where are they coming by from now?

C’mon Hamilton, you’d carry more water if there wasn’t far more leveraged debt than easily liqifiable assets...


109 posted on 01/16/2016 3:58:15 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith
Where did the "reserves" come from to expand lending during the previous housing bubble?

Same place they always come from.

C'mon Hamilton, you'd carry more water if there wasn't far more leveraged debt than easily liqifiable assets...

Okay, Jefferson, explain what the proper ratio is between the two and why ...

110 posted on 01/16/2016 4:08:01 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: SkyPilot

BUMP!


111 posted on 01/16/2016 4:18:20 PM PST by The Mayor (Honesty means never having to look over your shoulder.)
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To: SkyPilot

I’m reconditioning two 60 year-old lathes. I have a John Deere that survived my Dad and will probably survive me. It will be reconditioned and it will probably survive my Son.

If you can get or make parts there are only certain things that wear. Eventually metal fatigue will be the machine’s demise but for so many things that experience low stress, things that are built heavy, they will just last and last and last.

Sleeved engines can be made almost like new again. They eventually fail under heavy use when the main bearing carriers fatigue. We had Cat 398s that the Cat rep hated because we just kept rebuilding them. They ran thousands of hours between overhauls several times.


112 posted on 01/16/2016 5:25:45 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

They loaned out more than what needed to cover demand deposits. The semantics is not worth quibbling over. I was only putting in my two cents worth on a discussion on deflation, as my degree is in finance/accounting and I worked as management in various industries including banking.

Have a good evening!


113 posted on 01/16/2016 6:39:34 PM PST by Rusty0604 (1)
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To: sparklite2

At least the raisen growers won against the gov’t confiscating a good portion of their crop due to some law trying to keep the price of raisins up.


114 posted on 01/16/2016 6:44:33 PM PST by Rusty0604 (1)
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To: Rusty0604
They loaned out more than what needed to cover demand deposits.

By your definition, any dollar lent out of a demand deposit is too much.

The semantics is not worth quibbling over.

What semantics? I said they can't lend more than they take in. You disagreed.

115 posted on 01/16/2016 8:18:14 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: matthew fuller

That is a very good point.

The second largest economy on the entire planet.

Where is it?


116 posted on 01/17/2016 8:52:02 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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