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No indictment in Tamir Rice case, prosecutor says (Let the riots begin!)
CNN Breaking ^ | Updated 2:31 PM ET, Mon December 28, 2015 | By Steve Almasy and Ashley Fantz, CNN

Posted on 12/28/2015 11:37:19 AM PST by DCBryan1

(CNN)An Ohio grand jury has decided not to return an indictment in the 2014 police shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, prosecutor Tim McGinty said Monday.

Rice was holding a pellet gun when he was shot. It was "reasonable" to believe that the officer who killed the boy was facing a threat, McGinty said.

The officer was in training outside a Cleveland recreation center in November 2014. The shooting sparked controversy given Tamir's age and the fact that he had a gun that resembled a handgun.

McGinty called Rice's killing an "absolute tragedy."

"But it was not, by the law that binds us, a crime," he said. He said he has "heard the chants" that cry for justice for the boy.

"We too want justice for Tamir," he said. But it would not be justice to bring charges against the officers involved in the shooting if those charges "could not be sustained." That, however, "doesn't mean the legal system is done," he said. The civil courts may provide some accountability to the boy's family "that they deserve," McGinty said.

The shooting of a child should "never happen again," he said, and he urged that toy gun manufacturers stop making their products look so much like real guns.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
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To: driftdiver
The real problem I see is the cop pulled his car up right beside the kid, putting his partner about 3 feet from the "guy with a gun".

Bingo.

81 posted on 12/28/2015 12:51:09 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Did you even read my original post?

I stated right in my original post that the cops should not face murder charges.

Whoever said the cops should assume anyone was harmless?

I said the drek on here trying to blame a child for doing what children as somehow deserving or contributing to their own death is absolutely insane. End of the day the child was doing nothing any other kid playing with a toy gun would have been doing. To try to spin this as he somehow contributed or was deserving to die is nonsense, and I am not going to stand by and listen to some idiots try to present this case as that and not call them on their insanity.

This is not a case where some punk got their just deserts, and folks on here trying to present it as such as exactly why Free Republic has gone from a place for intelligent conversation to largely dreck.

If you think an innocent boy winding up dead at the hands of police is anything but a tragedy, and that because that child didn’t react the way you would think an adult should to a police car rapidly pulling up to about 10 feet from him and having 2 adult police mean scream at him for 2 seconds before putting bullets in his stomach... then frankly I have nothing to say, other than to wonder what horrific thing happened to you during your lifetime to make you so screwed in the head.


82 posted on 12/28/2015 12:51:39 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: driftdiver

That’s what I pointed out before, and see as an awful tactical mistake — the driver doing what he did


83 posted on 12/28/2015 12:54:57 PM PST by IChing
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To: DCBryan1

Not that it matters now, but was the kid a little slow? Just curious.


84 posted on 12/28/2015 12:56:42 PM PST by umgud
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To: IChing

If it had really been a bad guy the story would probably be about two dead cops.


85 posted on 12/28/2015 12:58:42 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Forgotten Amendments

The enhanced FBI video shows him pulling the “thing” from his waistband. One has about a half a second to react. I’m not really standing up for the cops. Just an unfortunate happening. No crime.


86 posted on 12/28/2015 1:01:41 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: HamiltonJay
Whoever said the cops should assume anyone was harmless?

You: "He was just doing what children do!" You don't know that "children" just like him in these cities are shooting and raping and robbing.

You said something stupid in reply, "So then it's okay to murder you if people who share your ethnicity are doing evil stuff?" lol.

This is not a case where some punk got their just deserts, and folks on here trying to present it as such as exactly why Free Republic has gone from a place for intelligent conversation to largely dreck.

What's actually dreck is this stupid stuff about how cops should treat these "children" as harmless angels when most of them behave like hardened criminals because they're infatuated with a gangster life style.

87 posted on 12/28/2015 1:06:57 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DCBryan1
Is that the kind of gun used? One of my kids has one he got for his birthday or Christmas or something. Shoots BBs, he got one jammed in it and took the gun apart. It even takes down much like the real thing.
88 posted on 12/28/2015 1:09:51 PM PST by MRadtke (Light a candle or curse the darkness?)
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To: DCBryan1

video http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/nov/26/cleveland-video-tamir-rice-shooting-police

I cannot tell from the video whether Rice pulled the gun out when the cops showed up, nor could I find that answer in the police report (which I skimmed but did not read fully).

audio 911 http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-tamir-rice-911-call-20141126-htmlstory.html

“The guy keeps pulling it out,” the 911 caller continues. “It’s probably fake, but you know what, he’s scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ... He’s sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people. Probably a juvenile, you know? . . . I don’t know if it’s real or not, you know?”

224 pages of police report http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/06/tamir_rice_investigation_relea.html


89 posted on 12/28/2015 1:16:12 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: DCBryan1

I’d say Prosecutor McGinty committed egregious malpractice by taining any civil action by the Rices

What an asskissing tool to make such biased comments


90 posted on 12/28/2015 1:16:36 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (If you're "offended" by "Merry Christmas" then you have much bigger issues)
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To: HamiltonJay

When I was a kid in the70’s, I used to play with a set of toy pistols that were my Dad’s in the 50’s, and believe me they looked very real. Me and other kids from my neighborhood used to play with them all the time. We pointed them at each other, people in the neighborhood, etc. We played cowboys and Indians (how awful ) and took turns playing both. It was a total non-issue.

Glad there were no cops then like there are now. I’d probably be dead.


91 posted on 12/28/2015 1:20:21 PM PST by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God. ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Pollster1

Doesn’t matter if it might be fake. Certainly an avoidable tragedy but you can’t walk up treating the gun as a fake.


92 posted on 12/28/2015 1:20:26 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Some white people commit crimes. Are you ok with all white people being treated as if they are committing a crime?


93 posted on 12/28/2015 1:21:12 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Doesn't matter if it might be fake. Certainly an avoidable tragedy but you can't walk up treating the gun as a fake.

Agreed. However, it does matter that the kid was pointing it at people and that people were scared. The video doesn't show how he moved when the cops arrived, but a threatening motion would be consistent with the 911 call and with what I saw on the earlier part of the video. The bottom line: we don't know what happened, and the cops could have done better, but the kid could have done a whole lot better too.

94 posted on 12/28/2015 1:26:14 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: HamiltonJay
This is not a case where some punk got their just deserts, and folks on here trying to present it as such as exactly why Free Republic has gone from a place for intelligent conversation to largely dreck.

Completely agree old timer, completely agree.

95 posted on 12/28/2015 1:28:21 PM PST by Paradox (Not on the Trump Bandwagon, but I do enjoy the show.)
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To: HamiltonJay
I'll ask you again: did you used to run around sticking toy guns, made to look real, in stranger's face? Somehow, i doubt it, but i also doubt you'll grant that point.

Idiot? Insane? Right back at you asshole.

96 posted on 12/28/2015 1:33:46 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: HamiltonJay

Well said. It’s the few posters like you who make FR still worth the time.


97 posted on 12/28/2015 1:39:37 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Nessie ... Sasquatch ... The Free Syrian Army ...)
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To: HamiltonJay

He didn’t look like a “child”. He was 5 foot 7 and weighed 175 pounds.


98 posted on 12/28/2015 1:40:25 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: driftdiver

Equating what goes on in urban wastelands like lil Tamir’s hood, with what should happen in the isolated outposts of civilization that still remain, is absurd.


99 posted on 12/28/2015 1:40:53 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: trisham

195


100 posted on 12/28/2015 1:42:07 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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