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Barack Obama plan to defeat Isil dismissed by US intelligence experts
The UK Telegraph ^ | November 27, 2015 | Ruth Sherlock,

Posted on 11/27/2015 8:24:59 AM PST by Hojczyk

Former and serving diplomats and intelligence officials tell the Telegraph that President Obama's hopes of defeating Islamic State are based on "smoke and mirrors"

But in a series of candid interviews with the Telegraph, Western diplomats and intelligence officials - current and former - have angrily dismissed the approach as a “smoke and mirrors” public relations exercise founded on little substantive or effective action.

“It’s smoke and mirrors and that is the dirty little secret,” said Derek Harvey, one of Mr Obama’s senior former intelligence officials, a Middle East specialist, who said he resigned from his job in frustration at the administration's handling of the conflict.

Many members of both the American and the European intelligence and diplomatic apparatus say the chaos in Iraq and Syria is caused by Mr Obama’s determination to press on with an “exit strategy” from the region, signalled by the withdrawal from Iraq.

The intelligence official said this had created a sense of apathy, with departments feeling they were being judged by how much they were focused on “detaching” from the Middle East, rather than on the success of the policies they were actually implementing there. Experts in the region had also been withdrawn in case they concentrated on achieving results.

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1 posted on 11/27/2015 8:24:59 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Obama’s Real plan is to continue to force Islam on the World


2 posted on 11/27/2015 8:28:16 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: Hojczyk

Obama’s ‘plan’ is a deluge of bullshit hitting the airwaves when his actual impotent policies backfire on him. Witness this Holiday weekend.

“We are completely safe and secure this Thanksgiving Day, pay no attention to the dozens of reports Syrian (or facsimiles thereof) have infiltrated with the so-called refugees here - WE ARE COMPLETELY SAFE BECAUSE I AM ON THE JOB.”

Follow it up with a crack up media job about how our fantastic FBI has a crack team of elites tracking these non-existent sappers 24/7/365 (at great personal sacrifice away from ‘loved ones’ and FBI expense [read more effing money])

This is all utter horseshit. He leads with words and bravado backed up by squat. When he gets caught on it it’s unleash the media hounds and dissemblers.

If ‘they’ (sappers) are here, all you people are on your own. Your government isn’t going to do squat except to say they were ‘tracking’ them for months as your loved ones were murdered. Followed up, of course, by more of Obama’s bullshit.


3 posted on 11/27/2015 8:32:46 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: butlerweave

Yep, that’s why he promoted the MB in Egypt, has Muslim advisors throughout his Administration, destabilized Libya, smuggled weapons to ISIS through Benghazi, dumped huge caches of US weaponry in Iraq to a hopelessly inept and unmotivated Iraqi army to be used by ISIS, welcomes Muslim “refugees” while scorning Christians and Yazidids, etc., etc.

It should be spoken all over the US, because it’s necessary to jolt the disinterested public from the narrative that because he’s President, he’s honorable and cares for America.


4 posted on 11/27/2015 8:34:59 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Gaffer

If they are here, and they need to be tracked 24 hours a day, then they need to pick them up. Most are deportable. The others pay their taxes perfectly? The others never violate some arcane weapons charge? They never have 2 beers and drive? They never violate an epa law? They never make a guitar fret out of ebony wood?

The rest of us they can find a charge so fast it’ll make your head spin.


5 posted on 11/27/2015 8:40:01 AM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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6 posted on 11/27/2015 8:40:28 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Hojczyk

“by US intelligence experts”

Otherwise known as people with an IQ over 4.


7 posted on 11/27/2015 8:45:35 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Hojczyk
But in a series of candid interviews with the Telegraph, Western diplomats and intelligence officials - current and former - have angrily dismissed the approach as a “smoke and mirrors” public relations exercise founded on little substantive or effective action.

How can they say that? Why, just the other day, Obama said he would deliver a "powerful rebuke" to ISIS by attending a climate change conference in Paris. How much more forceful do they think he could be?

8 posted on 11/27/2015 8:47:28 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: Hojczyk

Obama is just misunderstood. Like the black riff raff on the strreets of Chicago, ISIL is just Islamic riff raff in desperate need of organization.


9 posted on 11/27/2015 8:47:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPyes but now I must concentratc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trumping.)
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To: Hojczyk; Gaffer

Grear article, which of course will only appear in the UK and Iwill list as another reference to this letter on the subject.

Containment Policies Applied to Terrorism

Obama’s nuanced resurrection of containment for itinerant terrorists and rogue states ignores George Kennan’s preeminent policy definition for Cold War actions in his “1,000 Word Telegram”. For him the Cold War would require worldwide economic domination against the Soviet Union governing apparatus. Marist/Leninist worldview mirrored traditional Russian ruling class neurotic insecurities about retaining power, despite archaic, fragile political systems. The Soviet Union would opportunistically employ strategies short of war to advance control internally, and undermine Western nations. The Soviet Union would not risk national resources and stature against adversaries possessing sufficient power, and demonstrating clear readiness to use it. The Soviets would not pursue the hazardous, systematic plans of a Hitlerite Germany.

Containment parallels do not apply to the Global War on Terror (GWOT). Wahhabi/Salafi heresy teaches Jews, Christians, Sunnis, Shi’as, and secularists are legitimate objects for systematic slaughter. Terrorists claiming this heresy substitute limitless murder for traditional Muslim loyalties valuing family, tribe, and ethnicity. Their Caliphate can as easily rise from embers of this current world as within populations submissive to their savagery.

Victory instead requires vigorous, costly engagement along the full spectrum of diplomacy with lavish application of military force. Engagement focuses continuous attacks against terrorist leadership, communications, and infrastructure. Engagement requires supporting African, Oriental and Asian country initiatives for viable national governments that marginalize terrorists. By frustrating plans, breaking alliances, and fracturing organizations, terrorists retain ever less effective units. Without cities or countries bin Laden, ISIS leaders, and successor sociopaths, live out unnaturally shortened lives as pariahs.

Obama on ISIS: “We Have Contained Them”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/13/obama_on_isis_we_have_contained_them.html

George Kennan’s 1,000 Word Telegram
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm

Frontline: Saudi Time Bomb:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/


10 posted on 11/27/2015 8:48:57 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Pay no attention to that wizard behind the curtain! Pay
no attention to that wizard behind the curtain! - Just a
little over a year to put up with that mulatto yahoo!
Unless Congress will do what they ought to do!! IMPEACH HIS
MULATTO ASS!!!


11 posted on 11/27/2015 8:50:16 AM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Hojczyk

There is no plan to defeat ISIL. There is only a plan to let ISIL do what it can while pretending to fight it only as much as necessary to keep criticism tamped down to tolerable levels. The goal is the Caliphate of the Hidden Imam, Barack Hussein Obama...
Mmm...
mmm...
mmm.


12 posted on 11/27/2015 8:51:33 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Hojczyk

Very interesting. I wonder how the complicit media here will treat this story.


13 posted on 11/27/2015 9:06:05 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: DesertRhino

Of course they are here. They were ushered into front row seats by Obama who has compared them to the original Pilgrims from leading up to our founding. They already HAVE the means to track them; they brought them here!

What all of this is a plan by Obama to cause as much havoc as he can given the time he has left. By the time someone sane takes over that office, these terrorists will be burrowed so deeply we won’t be able to find them save their pieces after they’ve blown themselves up along with thousands of Americans. Pilgrims my butt.


14 posted on 11/27/2015 9:06:57 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Hojczyk

Obama, the President, is nothing but smoke and mirrors.


15 posted on 11/27/2015 9:27:02 AM PST by CASchack
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To: Hojczyk

first of all, he doesn’t have a plan. wishful thinking is not a “plan”.


16 posted on 11/27/2015 9:54:40 AM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Hojczyk

not a secret..... just NO ONE WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
obama is a TRAITOR


17 posted on 11/27/2015 9:55:33 AM PST by zzwhale
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To: CASchack

I kept trying to remember what Obama’s actions recently re-minded me of because they are so absurd, e.g. “I’m going to Paris next week for the Climate Change conference and it’s going to really show the terrorists that we are serious”, or words to that effect. Obama is as delusional as Hitler was the last months of World War II. These next 12 plus months of Obama’s rein are going to be real zingers.


18 posted on 11/27/2015 10:07:59 AM PST by kagnew
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

How will the complicit media here report this story?

They won’t.


19 posted on 11/27/2015 10:22:10 AM PST by AC86UT89
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To: Hojczyk

Wonder how safe every Obama voter feels now?.


20 posted on 11/27/2015 11:24:53 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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