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Russian jet hit inside Syria after incursion into Turkey: U.S. official
REUTERS via Yahoo ^ | November 24, 2015

Posted on 11/24/2015 5:27:26 PM PST by McGruff

The United States believes that the Russian jet shot down by Turkey on Tuesday was hit inside Syrian airspace after a brief incursion into Turkish airspace, a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.The official said that assessment was based on detection of the heat signature of the jet.

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To: Beowulf9
I think Putin was lulled into thinking Turkey would not do such a thing. Otherwise, wouldn't his pilots be dropping chaff and flares to divert an incoming sidewinder? How embarrassing his SU-24 pilot didn't get cockpit warnings but then I also heard that the distance between the F-16 and SU-24 exceeded the range of the AIM-9 but it hit its target anyway.

I don't see how Putin lets Turkey get away with this. Stay tuned.

21 posted on 11/24/2015 5:48:05 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: achilles2000

>Just ask the Cold War obsessed Freepers.

Yeah, there are a few DUmpMonkies posting hers as anti-Russians. They will be the first to be be-headed by those they love. Morons, all of them.


22 posted on 11/24/2015 5:48:41 PM PST by soycd
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To: Leaning Right

I read today that the reason for the shootdown had to do with a video. But what difference does it make?


23 posted on 11/24/2015 5:48:58 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Time for a global crusades. If we do not act, this is only the beginning.)
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To: McGruff

And if Russia decides to bomb Turkey we should NOT help Turkey.


24 posted on 11/24/2015 5:49:39 PM PST by Lera (1 Corinthians 15:3-4)
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To: McGruff

“... a U.S. official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.”

Every time I see this statement, I throw out anything based on what the official said.


25 posted on 11/24/2015 5:49:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: McGruff

I was looking at that location on google earth. That little point at the bottom appears to be where the jet crossed. Its only about 3 miles wide there.

How long would it take a jet to cross 3 miles at an average cruising speed? 30 seconds?


26 posted on 11/24/2015 5:56:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

It sounds like that sort of tiny air space violation is done by pretty much everyone and always results in warnings but NOT shoot downs.

When the terrain is such that a country has a tiny tip hanging down into the neighboring country, it is awfully easy to do. Why do it? I don’t know. Maybe it has to do with the path of the entire flight and its purpose. Maybe it is just drama. Certainly we all know it was not a threat to Turkey. They USED IT to go on the offense against Russia in retaliation for Russia’s support of Assad. Turkey was the aggressor. NATO is not obligated to support or defend this.


27 posted on 11/24/2015 5:56:50 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Leaning Right

That was my point - it’s unclear. The area is disputed, and even NATO is shocked that the Turks didn’t simply escort the plane out. What Turkey did was reckless and uncivilized, but that is how the crypto-Islamic Turkish government rolls.


28 posted on 11/24/2015 5:57:21 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: McGruff
shot down by an ISIS sympathiser in Turkey.

This wasn't too long ago was it?

Turkey fans BOO during pre-match minute's silence for the victims of Paris attacks and chant 'Allahu Akbar' before Greece friendly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3322708/Turkey-supporters-boo-minute-s-silence-victims-Paris-attacks-prior-team-s-friendly-against-Greece-Istanbul.html

29 posted on 11/24/2015 5:57:44 PM PST by Cubs Fan (Black privilege--being able to falsely yell racism and have the media faun all over you.)
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To: achilles2000

Do not fool yourself. NATO gave the go ahead.


30 posted on 11/24/2015 5:58:21 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: achilles2000

10 warnings is enough.


31 posted on 11/24/2015 6:00:57 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west))
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To: McGruff
Bbbbuuut, Obama already said the Russians acted "stupidly."


32 posted on 11/24/2015 6:04:15 PM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: eyedigress

Most of the warnings were before they entered Turkey. This had to be pre planned because they were only in Turkey 20 to 40 seconds and Turkey was never threatened in any way. Turkey was the aggressor here.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4630118119001/radar-track-shows-russia-jets-path-over-turkish-territory/?intcmp=hpbt2#sp=show-clips


33 posted on 11/24/2015 6:04:51 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: mac_truck

I sure as Hell hope not.

It’s amazing to an old Cold War Marine like me to see a member of NATO should down a Russian aircraft and the reaction of the US, more or less, has been a shrug.

Turkey wants a rebirth of the old Ottoman Empire, and Erdogan probably sees himself taking control after ISIS does some of the early heavy lifting for him. A Russian puppet Syria fulfills the age old dream of unfettered access to the Med.

It’ll be interesting to see how much intestinal fortitude Obama exhibits on behalf of whom. I predict Erdogan is going to be disappointed and Putin has already taken his measure.


34 posted on 11/24/2015 6:05:33 PM PST by M1911A1 (My red line is Jeb Bush.)
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To: achilles2000

Generally if you aren’t at a state of war the escort out is pretty much the recognized standard of behavior globally.


35 posted on 11/24/2015 6:06:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: cripplecreek

Turkey has admitted the Russian aircraft were over “ Turkish” ( disputed) territory for 17 seconds ... The aircraft was actually over SYRIA by the time Turkey shot it down ( per latest US report)


36 posted on 11/24/2015 6:06:00 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: eyedigress

I don’t think so, but note that Obamalini was in Turkey and had just left. I’m sure he didn’t say shoot down a plane, but he probably encouraged Turkey to take an aggressive course of action against the Russians (because Obama wouldn’t do it himself).


37 posted on 11/24/2015 6:07:48 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: eyedigress

Do a google search and see how many times the U.S. has been accused of violating someone’s air space.


38 posted on 11/24/2015 6:08:29 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: McGruff

Notice how we get a few inches closer to the truth? Of course this is after Obama lied.


39 posted on 11/24/2015 6:08:44 PM PST by dforest
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To: mkjessup
Apparently the order to shoot down the offending aircraft was issued by Erdogan himself.

I've read that Erdogan is fluent in Arabic. So is the leader of one other NATO country, IIRC.

You know, for the times they want to talk about things without others understanding.

40 posted on 11/24/2015 6:08:59 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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