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Battle breaks out over Wisconsin bill to keep boys out of girls restrooms
LifeSiteNews ^ | 11/23/15 | Dustin Siggins

Posted on 11/24/2015 5:27:35 AM PST by wagglebee

MADISON, Wisconsin, November 23, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – A bill to stop transgender students from using restrooms and other facilities of the opposite sex faced a contentious, hours-long hearing on Thursday.

But a spokesperson for the bill's sponsor in the state Senate says it is designed to protect children, and that the bill accounts for the struggles of transgender teenagers. And a state activist told LifeSiteNews that "this bill is a reasonable response to a complex problem."

"It's clearly not an easy issue for public schools to deal with," said Julaine Appling of Wisconsin Family Action, who e-mailed LifeSiteNews during the hearing. "But to not address it means violating the privacy rights of students. All students have a right to privacy. Allowing biologic boys to use the girls' restroom and locker room and vice versa violates that right."

On the other side of the issue, Human Rights Campaign legal director Sarah Warbelow said in a statement that Nass's bill "belongs in the garbage" and that "AB 469 will place transgender and gender non-conforming students at risk for discrimination and harassment."

In his testimony at the hearing, bill sponsor Steve Nass described Assembly Bill 469 as "a simple proposal with common sense provisions that establish a statewide standard to balance the interests of a diverse population of students and parents."

The bill recognizes the sex of each student per what the child's stated anatomy is at birth, on a birth certificate, and "Insures that the privacy interests of students in all corners of the state are treated equally by prohibiting females from using changing rooms designated for males and males from using the changing rooms of females," said Nass.

If a student "identifies as a member of the opposite sex" and a parent makes a request to use a different restroom or changing room, the bill "protects the ability of parents and students to seek reasonable accommodations from school boards for the use of single occupancy changing rooms by a student[.]"

Parents may file a complaint with their school's board if a school does not comply with these regulations.

According to Nass, his bill is "necessary to counter some of the existing school district policies that unfairly prioritize the wishes of transgender students and their parents over the privacy concerns of other students and their parents." A number of schools have independently decided to "to promote the interests of transgender students in granting full access to the changing rooms of the opposite sex," said Nass, who pointed to how "some public school officials will claim their local policies prioritizing the interests of transgender students are mandated by federal law."

The claims of federal mandates come from the Obama administration, which in 2014 created a new definition of sex discrimination under the 1972 Title IX. The administration has threatened to pull funding from schools that don't capitulate to transgender activists on opposite-sex restroom access.

The administration has involved itself in the Wisconsin case, filing a friend of the court brief restating its position. However, in a letter to officials in Palatine, Illinois – who are under the same attack from the Obama administration – leading conservative lawyers for the Alliance Defending Freedom and the Thomas More Society argued that the administration's interpretation of Title IX has no legal basis.

In June, Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) attorney Jeremy Tedesco told LifeSiteNews the same thing. "A federal court in Pennsylvania recently rejected a similar lawsuit filed by a transgender student seeking access to restrooms at a college," said Tedesco, "ruling that 'separating students by sex based on biological considerations … for restroom and locker room use simply does not violate the Equal Protection Clause.'"

"The court rejected the Title IX claim for the same reason. It also highlighted that Title IX’s implementing regulations state that schools do not violate Title IX when they 'provide separate toilet, locker room, and shower facilities on the basis of sex.'"

"Every court to consider this issue has held that single-sex restrooms and locker room facilities are permitted under Title IX," said Tedesco.

The ADF attorney also said that the change to Title IX "is not legally binding" and was "politically motivated."

Nass said his bill is necessary to protect "bodily privacy" across the state. "I am certain you will hear arguments opposed to AB 469 based on local control and the need to let school boards decide policies in each district based on community values," he told the Education Committee. "How is it that a student in Superior or Dodgeville or New Berlin or Green Bay can have a differing right to bodily privacy? This legislature has repeatedly recognized the right of bodily privacy for adults and children with the passage of statutes in recent years relating to upskirting, the unauthorized use of nude or partially nude pictures on social media, and the prohibition on the use of cell phones with cameras in school locker rooms."

Nass's chief of staff, Mike Mikalsen, told LifeSiteNews that the senator's goal with Assembly Bill 469 is to protect student rights to privacy – which Nass cited in his testimony – but also the right to avoid sexual harassment and to keep students out of the political aspects of the transgender "rights" fight.

"Under some of our school districts' policies, those parents and those students [who complain about use of opposite-sex bathrooms] would be asked to meet with a counselor so it could be explained to them why their position is wrong," said Mikalsen. He also said that children who complain, or children of parents who complain, are sometimes told to use a unisex bathroom as punishment for speaking up.

"It does have the impact of sending a message: If you open your mouth and complain, these policies can be [inaudible] against your kid."

"In no other area of school law do you allow the students to run the ship," said Mikalsen, noting that school administrators and boards typically make policies – but "in this case, you literally can have a transgender student ... come in and tell a school board, 'I don't care what you want. I'm telling you, this is how you're going to run your district.'"

Nass also said that small numbers of students are likely to abuse the ability to use opposite-sex facilities, something the bill is designed to prevent.


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To: wagglebee; metmom

If we call a tail a leg, a dog still only has 4 legs. Calling a man a woman and vicea versea, changes nothing. If you are born male you will use the male facilities and females will use the ones designated for them.


41 posted on 11/24/2015 7:47:00 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: manc
Well done to all those on here who never tried to stop civil unions for homosexuals, because now of your ignorance then we have this crap to deal with.

Different issue all together. The first is a matter of legal status, the other is lousy parenting and giving in to the path of least resistance.

42 posted on 11/24/2015 7:54:29 AM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: wagglebee

“Human Rights Campaign legal director Sarah Warbelow said in a statement that Nass’s bill “belongs in the garbage”

Science denier!


43 posted on 11/24/2015 8:08:13 AM PST by CSM (White wine sipping, caviar munching, Georgetown cocktail circuit circulating, Perrier conservative.)
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To: wagglebee

Apparently, it’s cool for the boys to enter the girls’ restrooms and wave around their schlongs.

Very Twenty-First Century.


44 posted on 11/24/2015 8:08:39 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: originalbuckeye

“‘So where does the bulk of the money for our 14,000 public elementary and secondary school districts schools come from? State and local governments.”

Everybody knows that, but the FED money comes from DC and schools lose that money if they don’t do as the FED says.

It may only be 15-20% of the budget, but few schools could afford to lose it and remain open.


45 posted on 11/24/2015 8:09:00 AM PST by Beagle8U (jeb! continues to not only step in it, but lie down and roll in it! - freedumb2003)
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To: econjack
How many transgender kids are there in WI?

I don't know, but the HRC addition of "gender-nonconforming" to their would-be protected class ought to attract some interest.

46 posted on 11/24/2015 8:10:05 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Here is a little something you might enjoy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gods_of_the_Copybook_Headings


47 posted on 11/24/2015 8:10:39 AM PST by CSM (White wine sipping, caviar munching, Georgetown cocktail circuit circulating, Perrier conservative.)
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To: wagglebee

Parents have forgotten they are the boss of their school districts. If they don’t like a new rule, then take their complaint to the principal. If that doesn’t work, go to the superintendent. If that doesn’t work, take it to the school board. If that doesn’t work, kick out the school board. Somewhere in the middle, organize other like minded parents and meet the school board head on with many voices. Write to the local newspaper and call the local tv news stations. In my experience, it only takes about 3 phone calls up the line to have a problem suddenly disappear.

If it’s a state legislative problem, then start calling every Rep and Senator. Sure, that takes more than 3 phone calls but it’s all in how much you really believe in your cause.


48 posted on 11/24/2015 8:48:04 AM PST by bgill ( CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: V_TWIN

49 posted on 11/24/2015 8:50:36 AM PST by bgill ( CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: wagglebee

Meanwhile ... muslim kids are being taught to cut off your kids’ heads with dull, rusty knives. And they’re being imported to git’er done.


50 posted on 11/24/2015 9:02:28 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: wagglebee; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

51 posted on 11/24/2015 9:10:34 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: wagglebee

The folks ramming this crap down our throats have addresses. Just sayin’.

L


52 posted on 11/24/2015 9:12:43 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: BitWielder1

You didn’t get the memo: we are all minorities now.


53 posted on 11/24/2015 10:30:13 AM PST by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: wagglebee

More stupid people trying to be more politically correct than the next one. The controversy is very simple.

CHECK THEIR DNA, IF IT IS MALE IT IS A MALE, IF IT IS FEMALE IS IS A WOMAN AND IT MATTERS LITTLE WHAT IS GOING ON BETWEEN THEIR EARS!

These jackasses seem to think that because a person claims to be something it is so. That is more than total BS. If that were the case we could all say we think we are congress beings and make our own rules.


54 posted on 11/24/2015 10:45:21 AM PST by JayAr36 (How much more corruption will we willing to take from the Washington???????)
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To: Celtic Conservative

I identity as Bill Gates, so I should move to his 40,000 square foot house.


55 posted on 11/24/2015 2:46:01 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Mirror, Mirror. Star Trek portends.


56 posted on 11/24/2015 7:08:36 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: V_TWIN

In the article, someone said it was punishment to tell someone to use the unisex bathrooms.


57 posted on 11/24/2015 7:11:18 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: rdcbn

“Gay rights and the way it’s laying the ground work getting ready to move to the goal posts one more time and push pedophilia and the mainstreaming of child molestation as soon as it wins the Transgender war.”

Now, I finally understand why homosexuals are pushing transgender rights so hard.


58 posted on 11/24/2015 7:17:48 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Yes, a one-holler outhouse would solve the problem.


59 posted on 11/24/2015 7:45:01 PM PST by Happy1947
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To: manc; wagglebee
17 posted on 11/24/2015, 7:48:02 AM by manc: “This is insane. Boys using girls bathrooms and the left think this is alright!!!. Well done to all those on here who never tried to stop civil unions for homosexuals, because now of your ignorance then we have this crap to deal with.”

True. However, this could point to a way to pit the militant feminists against the militant gays.

Sexual harassment may not be as common as some feminists claim, but it does exist, and men with male body parts trying to use women's bathrooms and showers is an example.

Remember, we're not talking about adults here. If a state university wants to let 18-year-old freshmen men and women share a shower in college dorms, that's a problem, but the students are adults and have the ability to deal with the problem on their own by a variety of means, one of them being that they transfer to another university and their parents stop paying for that sort of thing. But when 14-year-old freshmen HIGH SCHOOL female students are forced to shower and share a bathroom with a student who has male anatomy, and when in most cases the female student has no choice what school to attend, this becomes sexual harassment.

I'm well aware that the militant feminist and militant homosexual camps overlap. But the overlap is not 100 percent, and nowhere close to 100 percent at the level of local schools. There are a lot of liberal women who think forcing their daughters to share a shower with a male student is very, very wrong.

The liberals are good at applying divide-and-conquer strategies against conservatives. This is a great opportunity to do that the liberals. On this point, quite a few liberal advocates of women's rights can be our allies, even if they aren't allies on lots of other issues.

60 posted on 12/02/2015 2:04:38 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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