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Warplane crashes in Syria near Turkey’s border
Anadolu Agency Turkey ^ | 24NOV2015 | Staff

Posted on 11/24/2015 12:49:16 AM PST by AdmSmith

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To: Tommyjo

My bad, it was EU they want to join. Knew it was something in the Europe area.


81 posted on 11/25/2015 1:15:49 AM PST by gleeaikin
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Haven’t the Russians been unkind to the Turkmen minority living in the Crimea since Russia took it over?


82 posted on 11/25/2015 1:21:16 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
Russia's a brutal, imperialist power, just as China is. Putin's on record as claiming that the fall of the USSR was the greatest disaster, and has been quite obviously trying to put it back together. Anyone who cheers that is an a-hole. Putin and the rest of his gangster cadre is an atheist and fascist, and neither of those characteristics screams "religious crusader". There are people stupid enough to think that it does, or under enough of a threat to claim that he is.

83 posted on 11/25/2015 6:01:51 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: gleeaikin

Istanbul not Constantinople. That’s nobody’s business but the Turks.


84 posted on 11/25/2015 6:25:01 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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85 posted on 11/25/2015 7:23:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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I am suggesting that, if this incident triggers escalation to the point of full-scale war between Russia and Turkey, then Russia will definitely entertain the prospect of retaking Constantinople from Turkey. There are many historical precedents in which small clashes ignite long-simmering conflict to the boiling point.

There is good possibility that more clashes will come between these two countries. Russians are fighting against local rebels who are in good terms with Turks. Turks are battling Kurds who are straddling on both Turkey and Syria. Turks bomb Kurdish positions inside Syria from time to time.

Next time around, Russia's long-range SAMs could shoot down Turkish warplanes bombing Kurds inside Syria. According to latest news, Russia is sending S-400(?) to Syria. This raises the prospect of another front opening in Syria-Turkish border.

This may be a chain reaction nobody really wants, but may not be able to contain, once it gains momentum.

86 posted on 11/25/2015 8:02:01 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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There is a certain amount of confusion going on even in this Forum, vis-a-vis Putin's Russia.

This is all boils down to what kind of state Russia is or what kind of person Putin is.

Russians want to see themselves as imperial power. In that context, the disintegration of Soviet Union was a great misfortune to many Russians and Putin.

They all want to see the empire rebuilt. This time along the line of traditional Russian empire which existed before 1917. This new state also needs the state ideology, and that is Orthodox Christianity.

It is not important if Putin is a genuine Christians. If you look at czars in old Russian empire, you have to wonder if they are real Christians. They were ruthless and power-hungry. That is what it takes to survive as a czar. Putin is no different. The man could be another of many sou-less cynical KGB personalities. However, he will play the champion of Christianity to rule over his new empire. Orthodox church will be happy to help. It is a win-win arrangement.

Institutionalized religion rarely behaves as purely religious entity. It is usually very politically active and deeply intertwined with state power.

Both Russian state and Russian church are pushing Orthodox Christianity as its state ideology. Their church apparently believes that Russian people have to undergo some trial and tribulation to be spiritually reborn. So it in that context that some Orthodox clergies see the plane crash in Sinai as one of those episodes which will "awaken" Russian people. This is all about strengthening the power of church. Yes, their heart is, in all likelihood, not pure and they could be engaged in cynical political calculus.

In this forum, there are people who are taken by Putin's actions and start to genuinely believe that he is a good Christian. Then there are others who are incensed to see this trend in FR, and try to reject any notion that Putin's Russia would advance some Christian cause. I think both see only one side of picture.

Even the Crusade was the political decision. Those who launched it were no saints.

87 posted on 11/25/2015 8:40:54 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Some errors:

Putin is a genuine Christians Christian.

So it is in that context that some Orthodox clergies see the plane crash in Sinai

88 posted on 11/25/2015 8:44:39 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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