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Ted Cruz has a Donald Trump problem: He’s waiting for a Trump collapse and that...
Salon ^ | Kevin Simon

Posted on 11/23/2015 7:17:44 AM PST by VinL

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To: VanDeKoik

And this is a major flaw in Cruz’s strategy of wining by standing still. Trump defines the issues early and benefits from events confirming his positions. Events are rapidly heading more in his favor by the week.

Cruz takes those positions for sure, but the first mover advantage benefits Trump.


Unfortunately, for Cruz, this is part of relying on support from financial donors, IMO. He has to be careful in leaning forward on issues due to the blowback. Plus, I’m not sure he can handle (not a personal attack, just an observation) the blowback like Trump can. Trump seems to welcome it and returns fire quickly and overwhelmingly. I’m not sure Cruz can do that to that effect, yet. Cruz can certainly dish it out, but it is a different style/level than Trump.


41 posted on 11/23/2015 8:00:23 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: ctdonath2

Sometimes you have to accept you’re not going to win, so you fight like he11 for second place

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Maybe, but I don’t think so. Although Trump is ahead in Iowa, Cruz is well positioned with endorsements, an organization in each county, and the benefit that the natural makeup of the Iowa is conservative and religious. Cruz believes he will win Iowa, and that will change the dynamic of the race.

Imo, Cruz isn’t a second place type of guy.


42 posted on 11/23/2015 8:00:25 AM PST by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, then to consent to wrong.)
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To: VinL
I don’t bash Trump, I never have. But, I did post a thread when he came out after Carson on a personal level, and asked Trump supporters if they thought that move was wise politically. Carson and Cruz split a vote, I argued- taking down Carson only would elevate Cruz in Iowa ( as apparently has happened). But because of that attack, I don’t think many folks who support Carson are going to embrace Trump if Carson collapses— least not as many as might have if Trump had merely allowed nature to take it’s course. ============================================================

I assume you mean the personal attack on Carson by Trump. I'm saying the recent terror attacks, the threats to the U.S. and the lack of clear strategy/leadership shown by the President in the face of this threat(s) may cause former Carson supporters to overlook Trump's personal attacks on Carson and support him as polls indicate Trump's strength on that issue.

43 posted on 11/23/2015 8:03:02 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: jpsb

The jail part is a possibility. The rest is irrelevant.

The Democrats start with an absolute lock on something like 200-215 electoral votes. The GOP starts with a lock on considerablely less. The goal is 271.

The GOP candidate pretty much has to run the entire board, sweeping every single swing state, in order to win.

Can that happen? Sure. But it’s damn difficult.

The Dems are counting on a demographic lock on lots of voters. To those voters none of the things you mention matter because they are a __________ (fill in the blank with name of demographic group) and __________ vote for Democrats.

It takes a LOT to break that kind of mindset. Reagan was able to do it in 1980 with the Reagan Democrats. But 1980 is a world and a half away from where we are as a nation today. Identity politics is much more of an ingrained mindset.

Which is what the Liberals are counting on.


44 posted on 11/23/2015 8:04:43 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Show us proof that he is a fake conservative.


45 posted on 11/23/2015 8:05:32 AM PST by Slyfox (Will no one rid us of this meddlesome president?)
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To: VinL

Salon... LOL

They would love to see Cruz and Trump go at it. Both guys seem to like the other. They share a good many views on what needs to take place. Why should they trash each other?

In this type of situation, you present your platform and hope people will buy in. You don’t trash the other guy who shares your views. If you trash his views, you trash your own.

As for Ted waiting for Trump to cecum to political gravity, there is no natural gravity in politics. If you have good views and the populace agrees, there’s no inevitable drop due to a force of nature.

As for Salon writers, that’s a different story.

Here one of them can’t help but try to smear Trump with something he never said, agreed to, or supported in any manner.

Trump is not planning on an Islamic database.

Now there’s evidence of gravity, for writers...


46 posted on 11/23/2015 8:06:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (I support President Pre-elect Donald J. Trump. Karl Rove, the GOPe, and Leftist's worst nightmare.)
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To: VinL

Cruz believes he will win Iowa, and that will change the dynamic of the race.


I wouldn’t be surprised, and don’t think Trump would be either, if he doesn’t win Iowa, even where the numbers are now. It is a very different dynamic than the following states. However, I don’t think a Cruz or Carson Iowa victory is going to change NH, SC and Florida if the numbers stay where they are now or close. If there is a squeeze, perhaps, but I don’t see it. Then again, I don’t have the benefit of Karl Rove’s whiteboard :)


47 posted on 11/23/2015 8:06:56 AM PST by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
You will be surprised. He has a similar problem that Hillary has. He just isn’t likable.

What problem? Care to elaborate or are you chicken to tell us what is on your mind?

48 posted on 11/23/2015 8:07:30 AM PST by Slyfox (Will no one rid us of this meddlesome president?)
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To: tanknetter
The Democrats start with an absolute lock on something like 200-215 electoral votes.

I'm a Cruz supporter, but I recognize that Trump bring parts of the country in play that are normally completely out of bounds, especially in the northeast.
49 posted on 11/23/2015 8:08:08 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Gaffer

Ted’s not waiting for Donald to collapse.

He’s simply running his own campaign, and doing so extremely well.

As is Trump. It’s just that Trump is a little more aggressive in beating down the competition. Which is his prerogative.


50 posted on 11/23/2015 8:09:00 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: tanknetter
On Drudge

Hillary Tweets All Sexual Abuse Accusers Deserve To Be 'Believed,'

Hillary is brain dead, really.

51 posted on 11/23/2015 8:09:27 AM PST by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied, Otto Von Bismarck)
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To: MortMan

You do realize that, should it come down to Cruz and Trump, they will both be on the attack against the other? They’re running for the same office, after all.


52 posted on 11/23/2015 8:10:29 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: JudyinCanada

I’d love a study of various trollish posters. They came out in force last election.

I suspect there is a large battalion of fake posters who are paid to have 200-300 names to generate negative buzz on candidates.

They’ve been exposed on places like facebook and twitter. I am sure they are here now.

Old accounts that suddenly become very active during primaries.


53 posted on 11/23/2015 8:11:13 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Marcella

Sounds good to me. Cruz’s ground game is second to none. He goes to places the other candidates don’t bother with, and the people appreciate it and remember it.


54 posted on 11/23/2015 8:12:31 AM PST by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: VinL
Trump gets hate from Liberals, GOPe and even some conservatives. I have never seen that before with a candidate.
55 posted on 11/23/2015 8:17:16 AM PST by hotsteppa
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To: Dr. Sivana
“Gentle correction, every county in the first four states, not the whole country.”

Gentle response :o) : That was true some time ago, but I was amazed recently to see he has now covered all states. I agree some heavy Democrat counties may not have his operation there. I'm sure they have considered whether an effort in those hugely Democrat counties would be productive or not. There are a few more rural type counties in Texas that are almost 100% Democrat. Would be a useless expense of money to put workers in those counties.

I lived in a large Texas county that was almost 100% Republican, not a Democrat office holder in the county. It would be useless for a Democrat candidate to put money in that county to try to get votes.

Thanks for your response.

56 posted on 11/23/2015 8:21:22 AM PST by Marcella (CRUZ (Prepping can save your life today.))
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To: VinL

And that’s ultimately why you fight for 2nd - you still might get 1st.


57 posted on 11/23/2015 8:23:09 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: JudyinCanada
Rush said yesterday that Cruz was conservative, through and through.
Uh huh and before that it was Rubio-Rubio-Rubio...
And before that it was Walker...
And before that it was Romney...
And before that it was Bush...
And before that it was Bush...

Being an enabler to the Iran nuclear deal that threatens us all, not just Israel, isn't "conservative", it's un-American.

58 posted on 11/23/2015 8:24:27 AM PST by lewislynn ( Ted Cruz will never be elected President)
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To: ConservativeDude

It really doesn’t matter.


59 posted on 11/23/2015 8:30:29 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: lewislynn
And before that it was Romney...

And before that it was Bush...

And before that it was Bush...



Rush had explicitly said that Romney and the Bushes were NOT conservative, but still preferable to the Dem. In 1992, he explicitly endorsed Pat Buchanan in teh Republican primaries, something he rarely does. Rush also abandoned Rubio as soon as he joined Gang of Eight, before that he was conservative in rhetoric and action.
60 posted on 11/23/2015 8:34:32 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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