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Attorneys Representing Biker Clubs Deliver Statement Thursday in Waco
NBCDFW.com ^ | 11/19/2015 | Jeff Smith

Posted on 11/19/2015 3:39:42 PM PST by Elderberry

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1 posted on 11/19/2015 3:39:42 PM PST by Elderberry
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Dear Waco Residents,

I hope that when this is all over, a bunch of you are taxed out of your homes to pay these men’s judgements against your city, and that a number of your LEO’s, the DA’s and the judges are up on charges. This whole thing stinks to high hell! If I were a decent Texas resident, I’d be pi$$ed off to have my state’s good name besmerched by this renegade city.


2 posted on 11/19/2015 3:59:02 PM PST by vette6387
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"Those reports critical. We have nine people that are dead. We need to know what bullets killed which people. We need to know which guns fired those bullets that killed those people. Were they bullets from persons in the clubs? Were they bullets from police? We don't know," Anderson said.

You think we'll ever know , or ever see any of the video from what did happen that day

3 posted on 11/19/2015 4:02:46 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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I wasn't impressed with the (speaking) lawyers' grasp of details, and it was totally inappropriate for one of the primary speakers to be grinning like the cat that ate the canary, and saying "This is fun!"

On the facts, there was discussion about the ballistics reports, and how little ballistics resources are available in Texas. Hello - weren't the ballistics tests farmed out to the FBI in Quantico, Virginia?

Police have said the ballistics investigation is being headed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which has possession of more than 475 weapons from the scene, including at least 151 firearms.
Autopsies released in Twin Peaks biker deaths - WacoTrib.com - August 13, 2015

The shorter of the two lady talkers (both named Susan) said that 177 were arraigned. I think that is false, although the lawyers probably are sloppy in use of legal terms.

Art. 26.01. ARRAIGNMENT. In all felony cases, after indictment, and all misdemeanor cases punishable by imprisonment, there shall be an arraignment.

Whatever Peterson did in setting bail was not arraignment, it was something else. And she is the one who was a judge. Aye-yi-yi.

I learned that Reyna is playing games with discovery, conditioning release of evidence on defense lawyers signing gag agreements. He'll probably litigate that, too.

4 posted on 11/19/2015 4:14:20 PM PST by Cboldt
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As time passes, “accidental” deletions are increasingly likely.


5 posted on 11/19/2015 4:17:12 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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-- You think we'll ever know , or ever see any of the video from what did happen that day --

You know, that may be the whole point of screwing up the arrests and indictments. If nobody is charged, or if the charges are dropped before discovery, the evidence can be bottled up forever - there is no court for it to come out in. No discovery without an indictment. Investigation can go on forever, and the evidence withheld on the pretext that the investigation is ongoing. There is NO statute of limitation on murder.

One way to get a mess of indictments thrown out is to screw them up. Then act angry, then say the guilty are getting away with murder, then prosecute nobody, and the evidence never comes out. Meanwhile, 177 people (most of them innocent) are punished by process, the DA sullies himself (but that's the price for covering up government-perpetrated murder), and the incident quickly fades from the public memory, which is about as good as the memory of a goldfish.

6 posted on 11/19/2015 4:20:27 PM PST by Cboldt
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I believe that at his point, the prosecutor is trying to dig himself out of a hole. He will do so with plea bargains, intimidation, and attempt to turn indictees against some small set of other motorcycle club members who have some hope of being convicted. That would be those who can be connected with one or more of the deaths. They will have to be careful with this since the circumstances point also in the direction of law enforcement officers who expected a confrontation and responded, certainly with deadly force. Since they want to avoid any consideration of that likelihood, they are going to have to weave a tapestry of deceit. Many defense counsels will take an easy out and tell their clients that they are getting the best deal available and bail out. Only a few will take on the prosecutor, but only a few are needed.

My concern is that no one is going to be interested in finding the real murderers as probably they were both law enforcement officers and motorcycle club members, but these murderers are only a few , not just an overreach of justice that is ongoing.


7 posted on 11/19/2015 4:22:30 PM PST by centurion316 (,)
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The cops could have taken out all of the biker murderers.


8 posted on 11/19/2015 4:25:57 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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The cops could have taken out all of the biker murderers.

Someone was killed in the parking lot by someone involved in the original altercation. So, who killed the remainder and how? Since the motorcycle bubbas were now trying to escape from the ambush kill zone they are unlikely to be the murderers after the original altercation. That is the key piece of information that the prosecutor does not want to see the light of day.

9 posted on 11/19/2015 4:34:06 PM PST by centurion316 (,)
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Not having a biker to charge with murder is a problem.


10 posted on 11/19/2015 4:39:20 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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Not having a biker to charge with murder is a problem.

That would explain quite a bit of this business. However, someone who showed up at Twin Peaks killed someone, and not everyone who did this is a law enforcement officer. Identifying a motorcycle dude may be a big problem for the prosecutor.

11 posted on 11/19/2015 5:00:44 PM PST by centurion316 (,)
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This will be hidden better than 0bama’s actual birth certificate.


12 posted on 11/19/2015 5:03:51 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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It's quite unclear to me just what the prosecutor’s agenda is at this point.

Before the Shoot-out at the Twin Peaks Corral, the LEO agenda may have been different. Knowing that could be interesting.

13 posted on 11/19/2015 5:06:49 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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What makes a person gravitate towards living a life of thuggery? I don’t get it. You only have one life to live, why waste it? I don’t care what happens to any of them. Get them off the streets.


14 posted on 11/19/2015 5:08:24 PM PST by r_barton
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-- Identifying a motorcycle dude may be a big problem for the prosecutor. --

Not with all the video evidence it isn't.

15 posted on 11/19/2015 5:08:49 PM PST by Cboldt
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Ever been to Waco? Ever even been to Texas?

I’ll wager that 99% of anyone not some criminal biker gang groupie will happily say that the worst of Texas beats the crap out of the best of kalifornicate.


16 posted on 11/19/2015 5:12:21 PM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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I learned that Reyna is playing games with discovery, conditioning release of evidence on defense lawyers signing gag agreements. He'll probably litigate that, too.

For some reason, a memory from 8th grade Health class. We were to go to the gym and look at the Science Fair. Coach said, "Boys, there's some golf balls on one of the projects. Don't anybody steal a golf ball."

You KNOW what happened.

17 posted on 11/19/2015 5:14:23 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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weren't the ballistics tests farmed out to the FBI in Quantico, Virginia?

The last I saw was a comment that BATF in California and Houston were to do the ballistics testing.

18 posted on 11/19/2015 5:20:36 PM PST by Elderberry
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http://www.click2houston.com/news/guns-seized-after-waco-shootout-being-tested/33180718

ATF’s Houston office takes lead on tracing all guns found


19 posted on 11/19/2015 5:24:17 PM PST by Elderberry
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........" and the incident quickly fades from the public memory, "...........

One of the reasons I keep bumping these type of threads.

20 posted on 11/19/2015 5:25:14 PM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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