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Oil crash job losses in Texas may be steeper than previously thought
Fuel Fix ^ | November 12, 2015 | Rhiannon Meyers

Posted on 11/13/2015 4:12:40 AM PST by thackney

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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are correct, but since US economy has transformed from mostly a manufacturing to services base, the effect of neg impact to hi energy has lessened.


21 posted on 11/13/2015 6:07:19 AM PST by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: Teacher317

All oil prices are priced at the prices of those last few barrels sold that are in demand. Diesn’t take much production to have large effect. SA is only one capable of providing swing production.

Principle is like stock market. The many shares that are not traded are priced at the same value as the very few that are.


22 posted on 11/13/2015 6:14:11 AM PST by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Meanwhile, consumers travel more,

Not really. Gas prices are highly inelastic. The change in demand is very small in comparison to the (very frequent and sometimes very large) changes in gas prices.

Most won't cancel the weekend trip to the city just because gas prices went up, and wouldn't add one just because they fell. Most other transportation is non-optional. Driving to work/school, to the store, and to our entertainment choices is mostly the same as when gas was twice its current price just 4 years ago.

Your point is well-taken that if we spend less on energy, we have more to spend on other things ('we' meaning individuals AND businesses alike)... but I also wouldn't go insulting people and their 'conservative cred' for not having a macro-economics background.

23 posted on 11/13/2015 6:15:16 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: bestintxas

Excellent point, but ‘flooding the market to gain market share’ (as the poster wrote) is not the same as simply affecting prices. SA’s market share is not changed with just a change in price.


24 posted on 11/13/2015 6:18:20 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317

My point it does not have rain as much as in Noah’s time to bring about a flood.


25 posted on 11/13/2015 6:22:28 AM PST by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I can't believe you fancy yourself a conservative and well informed enough to come on this forum, and don't understand this VERY BASIC AND NO DUH concept. Every dollar that does NOT have to go into energy costs will go into OTHER STIMULATIVE SPENDING by every consumer and every business in the country. Fuel is a huge line item for many industries, all those involving fleet management, but many more as well. When their fuel costs are lower, they can hire more, buy more newer vehicles, give raises, and invest other money into their businesses.
Meanwhile, consumers travel more, eat out more, shop more, and are more likely to upgrade their homes, etc. Astonishing, yes astonishing you don't see this. The relatively low cost of energy is one of the major advantages the USA has had for many decades. It's far more important than China's currency manipulation or almost anything else.
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The downside to this is when the oil industry loses enough, the Saudis will control our prices and supply.

We need energy independence and the US Government needs to lay off of the heavy-handed taxes - taxes are what makes the end product so expensive.

26 posted on 11/13/2015 6:49:02 AM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: Teacher317

He’s comparing apples and oranges.

Take his 3 examples.

Travel more, eat out more, shop more.

If you added 1 job for each, motel help, restraint help, retail help the combined cost related to hiring these 3 people for a year wouldn’t cover the cost of the production tubing for a single well.

There are dozens of higher paying jobs than the 3 examples that are necessary in getting that tubing to the well.

There is simply no comparison to be made.


27 posted on 11/13/2015 7:25:27 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
You're right...its been a year since the dramatic decline in oil prices began, which is plenty of time for its effect to show up in the economy via increased consumer spending.


28 posted on 11/13/2015 8:35:16 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: mac_truck

There is simply no way to compare the savings from lower fuel being spent and put back into the economy and jobs in oil and gas being lost as a negative to the economy.

If 1000 people saved $200/month each on fuel every month and then spent those savings that’s only $200,000 being put back into the economy.

If 1000 oilfield workers loose their jobs there is close to $200,000 being taken out of the economy each day or about $5-$6,000,000/month and that is just for their salaries.


29 posted on 11/13/2015 10:40:47 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: KittenClaws

I would agree that there is a downside to it.....I don’t know that I’d go so far as you say on the Saudis, because low oil prices and North American production have all but destroyed OPEC.....and that NA production can ramp back up if Saudi starts to gouge.


30 posted on 11/13/2015 4:11:11 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: Teacher317

BULL....energy prices are inelastic on the short term...but NOT on the long term, and Not on vacation or business travel. Just wrong on that one.....


31 posted on 11/13/2015 4:12:00 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: bestintxas

not really, service businesses quite often involve fleets.....and fuel is a huge line item, normally second behind payroll.


32 posted on 11/13/2015 4:12:42 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

But recall that if OPEC is destroyed as a cartel, then the former members are free to trade in the market as they see fit.

Global sales will result from the ability to trade, reliably produce, and take care of customers.


33 posted on 11/13/2015 4:17:38 PM PST by Thibodeaux (this time really is different)
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To: Thibodeaux

yes I agree.....


34 posted on 11/13/2015 4:38:12 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: IMR 4350
I hear you...and if you figure the average automobile is driven 1,000 miles a month and gets about 24mpg, then the annual savings to the consumer is about $500 or about $10 per week.

Here's the real bottom line...Savings from low gas prices going to rent, food

35 posted on 11/13/2015 4:51:54 PM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Yes, really.

Fleets of vehicles will not begin to touch the extraordinary energy usage of smelting steel or building cars.


36 posted on 11/13/2015 6:33:37 PM PST by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: bestintxas

but dude...commercial construction skyrockets when gas prices are low and transport costs are low and construction costs are low and farm equipment booms and on and on and on and on...it’s not just the fleet....come on, grow up here and step back and listen to how you’re denying the very validity of “supply and demand” with your reasoning.

When the price of a commodity goes down, the usage goes up. Period. More gas being used means more travel, more commerce, more building, more of EVERYTHING.....and it will eventually lead to another increase in gas prices which will lead to an increase in oil prices...at some point.

Dude, supply and demand. Learn it, love it, live it.


37 posted on 11/14/2015 4:50:08 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Your point forgets the magnitude. Our base is no monger manufacturing, and fleets are far less energy consuming.


38 posted on 11/14/2015 4:59:29 AM PST by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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To: bestintxas

There’s more manufacturing than you think.....we’ve lost a lot, but we’ve added even more. This is one of the big lies...people are focusing on certain shrinking industries and ignoring the successes.....and there are many. The biggest German auto plant is in SC. The biggest Japanese engine production plant is in Ohio.

Low energy costs propel all of this.

Like everything in economics, EVERYTHING - yes, EVERYTHING - it’s dynamic and there are winners and losers. In energy where a few per cent of the people participate but 100% consume, the winners outnumber the losers big time.

Our economic crash in 08 had it’s genesis in the 2005 oil / gas price shock.


39 posted on 11/14/2015 5:02:57 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again (Amazon Best Seller))
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To: C. Edmund Wright

The days of USA being a manufacturing economy are in the past.

Current manufacturing is a far cry from the past.


40 posted on 11/14/2015 6:20:22 AM PST by bestintxas (every time a RINO loses, a founding father gets his wings.)
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