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To: fortheDeclaration
fortheDeclaration: "You need to back to do some Bible study."

You first claimed that God did not use "raw materials", so I demonstrated from biblical verses that He certainly did.
Your response simply confirms my point.

What "raw material", if any, may have been present with God before Creation, we have no way to know.
John 1 tells us that Logos was not only present, but was God, so cannot be considered "raw material".

That God created the Universe out of nothing is confirmed by scientific ideas such as the "Big Bang".
Still, scientists cannot help but speculate on what came "before", hence "multi-verse".
But nobody pretends that such ideas are "true", "proved", or even "confirmed" -- indeed, they are not even testable hypotheses, just scientific day dreams, more or less.

186 posted on 11/22/2015 8:56:04 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
No, what you have confirmed is my view that you are Biblically ignorant.

God used materials He CREATED.

That was what the discussion was about, could matter exist with God

Of course the Logos can't be considered 'raw material' he is the 2nd member of the Trinity, God himself.

The 'Big Bang' has nothing to do with God.

The Bible doesn't say a word about any 'big bang'.

The Big Bang is simply science trying to explain how the Universe came into being without God.

Of course they have to assume some type of matter existing, which didn't since that would make it eternal.

Before the Universe there is no 'before', because there was no time and matter, both were created with the Universe.

So, again, you speak nonsense.

Science has nothing to say about God, creation, or the beginning of life.

It is out of their area of testing.

187 posted on 11/22/2015 10:35:37 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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