God used materials He CREATED.
That was what the discussion was about, could matter exist with God
Of course the Logos can't be considered 'raw material' he is the 2nd member of the Trinity, God himself.
The 'Big Bang' has nothing to do with God.
The Bible doesn't say a word about any 'big bang'.
The Big Bang is simply science trying to explain how the Universe came into being without God.
Of course they have to assume some type of matter existing, which didn't since that would make it eternal.
Before the Universe there is no 'before', because there was no time and matter, both were created with the Universe.
So, again, you speak nonsense.
Science has nothing to say about God, creation, or the beginning of life.
It is out of their area of testing.
fortheDeclaration post #187: "God used materials He CREATED.
That was what the discussion was about, could matter exist with God."
FRiend, as always when I demonstrate that you have no clue what you're talking about, you change the subject and throw out insults to hide your falsehood.
The issue you raised is whether God uses raw material in creating the Earth, or life, or human beings.
When I demonstrated that He did, you changed the subject to claim you were only talking about Creating the Universe, ex nihilo.
Well, that's fine, and I don't discount your arguments about that at all.
But I did note that according to Einstein's E=MC2, the raw material for all matter is energy, i.e. light.
Indeed, according to science, it was the "Big Bang" which began to convert energy into matter, and it's the explosions of stars which convert hydrogen into heavier materials like carbon, iron, gold, etc.
fortheDeclaration: "The Big Bang is simply science trying to explain how the Universe came into being without God.
Of course they have to assume some type of matter existing, which didn't since that would make it eternal."
No, it's not "matter" which could pre-exist the Universe, only energy -- which was first converted into matter by the Big Bang, E=MC2.
So, we might ask if God created all that energy -- i.e., "let there be light", or was it pre-existing?
And before you jump to some conclusion, consider that according to classical theologians like St. Thomas Aquinas, energy is part of the essence of God's being.
And that's as far as I can go, since I'm not willing to say that God poured his own energy into creating the Universe -- the Bible never says that.
fortheDeclaration: "Before the Universe there is no 'before', because there was no time and matter, both were created with the Universe.
So, again, you speak nonsense."
But apparently, there was energy.
fortheDeclaration: "Science has nothing to say about God, creation, or the beginning of life.
It is out of their area of testing."
Yes, certainly science can say nothing about God, but since creation and life are still somewhat in progress, science is very curious about them.
Finally, "testable hypotheses" do not necessarily require a scientific laboratory.
Predictions later confirmed by observations qualify as valid tests in science.