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To: BroJoeK
God created the earth first, that is where the dust from the ground came from.

The Word is the Lord Jesus Christ, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, not 'the plan'.

The Word became flesh, but He as God always existed.

So, God CREATES the raw material first and then uses it.

Genesis 1:1 tells us that!

When God said let there be light, he created light out of nothing!

Before God there was NOTHING.

Raw material (the Universe) cannot co-exist with God, it would be eternal.

You need to back to do some Bible study.

185 posted on 11/21/2015 4:31:58 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
fortheDeclaration: "You need to back to do some Bible study."

You first claimed that God did not use "raw materials", so I demonstrated from biblical verses that He certainly did.
Your response simply confirms my point.

What "raw material", if any, may have been present with God before Creation, we have no way to know.
John 1 tells us that Logos was not only present, but was God, so cannot be considered "raw material".

That God created the Universe out of nothing is confirmed by scientific ideas such as the "Big Bang".
Still, scientists cannot help but speculate on what came "before", hence "multi-verse".
But nobody pretends that such ideas are "true", "proved", or even "confirmed" -- indeed, they are not even testable hypotheses, just scientific day dreams, more or less.

186 posted on 11/22/2015 8:56:04 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: fortheDeclaration
fortheDeclaration: "The Word is the Lord Jesus Christ, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, not 'the plan'. "

John's Greek word, "Logos", is translated variously as "logic", "generative principle" and sometimes "plan". "The Plan made flesh" to me makes huge sense, and would have also to John's Greek listeners.

189 posted on 11/23/2015 1:05:24 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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