Posted on 10/20/2015 5:58:28 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather
My wife wants a Tomcat.
Of course not. But at least he'd be willing to try.
He seems to think he can do whatever he wants to anything or anybody. He has a “King” complex. Perhaps he will be King Trump.
Nonsense. What hysterical hand-wringing. Donald Trump has a "wanting to solve problems" complex.
Donald Trump would aggressively pursue such goals with every bit of legal due process that is possible. And that's a good thing.
You see, in America, we have checks and balances to hold a "rogue" President accountable for any "high crimes and misdemeanors" he might commit. One such tool is impeachment.
So try to remain calm. Try not to get yourself too overworked with your silly notion about Trump trying to be some kind of king.
What's relevant to note is that Donald Trump would make an effort to address some of these threats.
If he wasn't successful, at least he would have had the courage to try.
And that's one of the main reasons Trump is leading the polls.
Methinks you doth protest too much.
“Similarly, M4’s, M16’s and AK’s were never envisioned by the founders. Cable news, blogs and broadcast TV were also not envisioned.”
But unlike the things that you just mentioned Islam was very well known to the founders. It was very much “envisioned”.
The Battle of Vienna, the turning point in Islam’s invasion of Europe, had occurred only 100 years earlier. It was closer in time to the founders than the Civil War is to us. The attacks by Muslims of the Barbary States on the ships of Christian nations, including those of America, were a fact of life.
The founders weren’t creating some ethereal philosophical document with the Bill of Rights. They were dealing with real world issues which in some states were disputes between official established churches versus dissenting Christian sects. And to a lesser extent Jewish congregations. But they never had to take into account Islam and its fundamental conflict with western freedom, not to mention its 1,000 year war against Christianity.
It’s not just ISIS. It’s Islam itself. Our “friends” the Saudis prohibited the wearing of crosses by our soldiers, who were in KSA to protect the ingrate Sauds from Saddam Hussein.
“Likewise, Thomas Jefferson wrote that the Virginia statute protecting religious freedom, which he drafted, deliberately covered “the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination,” and that a proposal to mention Christ in the bill “was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend” all religions. Barnes v. Inhabitants of First Parish in Falmouth, 6 Mass. 401 (1810), expressly stated that the Massachusetts Constitution’s general protection for religious freedom — similar in this respect to the First Amendment’s general protection — “secured liberty of conscience, on the subject of religious opinion and worship, for every man, whether Protestant or Catholic, Jew, Mahometan, or Pagan.” (Massachusetts limited various offices to Christians, but otherwise provided for religious freedom without such a limitation.)”
Thomas Jefferson and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
“The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom is a statement about both freedom of conscience and the principle of separation of church and state. Written by Thomas Jefferson and passed by the Virginia General Assembly on January 16, 1786, it is the forerunner of the first amendment protections for religious freedom. Divided into three paragraphs, the statute is rooted in Jefferson’s philosophy.
“It could be passed in Virginia because Dissenting sects there (particularly Baptists, Presbyterians, and Methodists) had petitioned strongly during the preceding decade for religious liberty, including the separation of church and state.”
http://www.vahistorical.org/collections-and-resources/virginia-history-explorer/thomas-jefferson
Virginia Statute for Establishing Religious Freedom (1786)
“...Before the American Revolution, the Church of England was the established church in colonial Virginia, meaning that colonists were legally required to attend its services and, through taxes, to support its ministers financially. In addition, the church’s lay vestries controlled a number of governmental functions, including relief for the poor and the supervision of orphans. A number of laws discriminated in favor of Anglicans, and as the war approached, dissenters from the Church of England, particularly Presbyterians and Baptists, began to experience active persecution. Scores of ministers were incarcerated for disturbing the peace or preaching without a license, and some dissenters were assaulted. Deeply opposed to such persecution, James Madison inserted into the Virginia Declaration of Rights—authored by George Mason and adopted by the Virginia Convention on June 12, 1776—a provision that generally guaranteed the “free exercise of religion,” but this left many issues still unresolved, in particular whether the new state could maintain an established church and support it with taxes.
By the time that the newly established House of Delegates met in the autumn of 1776, the state’s leaders desperately needed the support of Virginia’s religious dissenters in the war against Britain. A large and growing community that accounted for approximately one-fifth to one-third of the population, dissenters recognized their opportunity and insisted upon improvements in religious freedom in return for their support. Jefferson and Madison, sitting together on the Committee for Religion in the House of Delegates, subsequently led a successful effort to eliminate the religious tax on dissenters, but a number of restrictions on full religious liberty were still in place. While some of these were liberalized over the course of the war, at the war’s end there were still restrictions on dissenting ministers’ ability to perform the marriage ceremony, and Anglican vestries continued to control certain civil functions in most of the state.
In 1776, Jefferson also suggested that the House of Delegates appoint a committee to revise Virginia’s colonial laws in order to remove vestiges of the monarchy and align them more closely with the state’s republican principles and its new, independent status. As part of the revisal committee, and consistent with his own religious beliefs and Enlightenment philosophy, Jefferson produced “A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom,” declaring “that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” Jefferson was elected governor on June 1, 1779, so in his stead John Harvie introduced the bill to the House of Delegates on June 12 amid debates over marriages performed by dissenting ministers and the future of church property. Jefferson’s bill excited passions both in favor and against, and although it was read twice, the House postponed a third reading and eventually tabled the bill.
After the British surrendered at Yorktown in October 1781, the need for dissenters’ support for mobilization largely evaporated. With the House of Delegates still dominated by Anglicans, dissenters’ requests for greater religious freedom and separation of church and state were largely ignored, in sharp contrast to the war years. On November 11, 1784, a resolution supporting “a moderate tax or contribution, annually,” to benefit all Christian sects—something that the dissenters had vehemently opposed during the war—was adopted by the House. Designed as a compromise, this so-called General Assessment allowed taxpayers to designate a particular church (absent such designation, their money would go to schools—which, themselves, were largely run by ministers at the time) and was championed by many of Virginia’s leaders, including Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee, Benjamin Harrison, and John Marshall. In a belated reaction led by Virginia’s dissenters, scores of petitions with thousands of signatures were circulated in opposition to any religious assessment. Madison anonymously produced his famous Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, and that effort was joined by even more popular (albeit less remembered) petitions circulated by Baptist and Presbyterian interests. In the end, the General Assessment died in the House without receiving a final vote, and on October 31, 1785, Madison reintroduced 117 bills from the earlier committee to revise Virginia’s laws. Tucked away among those bills was Jefferson’s original bill “for establishing religious freedom.”..
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Exactly why I love the guy. He is not PC, and has common sense.
Oh no, I was agreeing.
Sigh...okay, is religion a license?
You can sigh all you want. American citizens can practice whatever religion they want within the bounds of the law and the Constitution. They are not presumed guilty of anything. They must be afforded due process. All this despite little dictators like you and your pals.
If we ban the Muslim Brotherhood and it’s related groups the Arab governments would celebrate.
“You see, in America, we have checks and balances to hold a “rogue” President accountable for any “high crimes and misdemeanors” he might commit. One such tool is impeachment.”
Ahh, we have a rogue president now, how is the impeachment process working out about him? If there was ever a president who needed to be impeached, it’s him.
The Iowa caucus/New Hampshire and South Carolina primaries will sift out the candidates after South Carolina, and we’ll see who remains.
Exactly so. We can deal with jihadists without throwing the First Amendment out the window. People have no obligation to respect or trust Islam at all but the government has an obligation to defend and protect the Constitution.
Some here want Trump to close mosques and also kick Muslim American citizens out of the country. If a president could do that, Obama would have already closed down Christian Churches and kicked Christians out of the country. I’m a Catholic, wear a Christian medal necklace every day, so he would likely deport me first.
Obama can’t do that and neither can Trump close mosques and deport Muslim people due to their religion. Some here should read and understand the first amendment to the US Constitution:
“The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.”
I am Catholic as well. I am also disappointed but not surprised that many here think the amendments are suggestions. Such is life in America today.
I don't know whether to feel flattered...Just took one question to bring you back to this planet.
Now what was with the dictator cr@p? Do you have an argument without employing the man of straw?
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