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Russia’s New Mega-Missile Stuns the Globe
The Daily Beast ^ | 10.09.15 | DAVID AXE

Posted on 10/08/2015 10:28:08 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

On Oct. 7, Russian warships in the Caspian Sea fired 26 high-tech cruise missiles at rebel targets in Syria—a staggering 1,000 miles away.

The missiles in question, which the Pentagon calls SS-N-30s, were mostly unknown to the outside world before the Oct. 7 raid. Even close watchers of the Russian military were surprised to see them. The missile attack was also highly visible. In many ways, it was an announcement to the world, and America in particular, that the once-dilapidated Russian navy is back in action—and that Putin’s missileers are now among the planet’s most advanced.

Planning for the missile attack began on Oct. 5, six days after Moscow’s warplanes conducted their first bombing runs on rebel holdouts in western Syria. Russia is intervening in Syria ostensibly to help the Damascus regime defeat ISIS, but the Russian attacks seem to be hitting ISIS’s enemies more than the terror army itself. What’s more, critics point out, Syria provides Moscow strategic access to the Mediterranean Sea.

“Russian reconnaissance had discovered a number of important objects of militants, which were to be destroyed immediately,” the Russian Defense Ministry explained in a statement. Drones, surveillance satellites, radio interception, and human spies on the ground helped planners select the targets, the ministry added.

“The strikes engaged plants producing ammunition and explosives, command centers, storages of munitions, armament, and [oil], as well as a training camp of terrorists on the territory of Raqqa, Idlib, and Aleppo,” according to the ministry. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said the missiles struck all 11 planned targets.

The Russian military celebrated the raid with a press release and an official video, and Shoigu went on national TV to praise the operation. Kurdish militiamen shot video they claimed depicted the missiles flying over northern Iraq. And the U.S. military apparently closely tracked the rocket-powered, guided munitions—and later claimed that several malfunctioned and crashed in Iran.

The media coverage was at least as important as the destruction of the alleged rebel facilities, U.S. defense officials told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “This is Russia demonstrating on a global stage that it has a lot of reach,” one official explained.

Eric Wertheim, an independent U.S. naval analyst and author of the definitive Combat Fleets of the World, a reference guide to warships and their weapons, agrees, saying of the missile volley: “I think it was a demonstration to the world.”

The missiles in question, which the Pentagon calls SS-N-30s, were mostly unknown to the outside world before the Oct. 7 raid. Wertheim and other foreign analysts were familiar with an earlier version of the SS-N-30 called the SS-N-27, but the latter is an anti-ship missile and the analysts assumed it could only fly 150 miles or so— a fraction of the roughly thousand miles the rockets traveled during the recent raid.

The SS-N-30 obviously boasts much a much greater range than its predecessor missiles and can also strike targets on dry land. That makes it broadly similar to the American Tomahawk missile, which the U.S. military traditionally fires in large numbers from ships and submarines in order to wipe out enemy air defenses before conducting aerial bombing campaigns. The U.S. Navy fired Tomahawks to hit the most heavily defended ISIS targets at the beginning of the American-led air war over Syria in September 2014.

Very few countries posses Tomahawks or similar munitions—and only the United States and Great Britain have ever successfully used them in combat. Now Russia has joined that exclusive club of global military powers. And that should worry the Pentagon, Wertheim said: “It should be a wakeup call that we don’t have a monopoly on the capability.”

What’s particularly striking is that Moscow has been able to build this long-range naval strike capability with much smaller vessels than anyone thought possible. In the U.S. Navy, large destroyers, cruisers, and submarines carry Tomahawk cruise missiles—and those vessels are typically at least 500 feet long and displace as many as 9,000 tons of water.

Russia has joined an exclusive club of global military powers. And that should worry the Pentagon. The four brand-new warships that launched the SS-N-30s were much, much smaller—ranging in length from 200 to 330 feet and displacing no more than 1,500 tons. “Small ships, big firepower,” Wertheim commented.

That matters because, after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia’s shipbuilding industry suffered a long period of deep decline that the Kremlin lately has struggled to reverse. That has had a profound effect on the Russian navy. “There are relatively few new warships in service at present and the ones that have been commissioned in recent years are all relatively small,” Dmitry Gorenburg, from Harvard University’s Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies, wrote in a recent analysis.

But the October barrage proves that even the small warships that Russia is building can strike hard and far—something that, once upon a time, only the United States and its closest allies could do. Moscow’s missile raid helps re-establish Russia as a global military power. “They’re very serious about this,” Wertheim said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; astroturf; cruisemissile; dailybeast; davidaxe; europeanunion; france; germany; nato; paidrussiantrolls; russia; russiamissiles; russianstooges; russiasyria; ssn27; ssn30; syria; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 10/08/2015 10:28:08 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Guess they were too damned busy retasking birds to spy on Home Grown Terrorists...

You know, like all of us here...

Bad Conservatives, bad bad...

Children, they need more than just a time out...


2 posted on 10/08/2015 10:30:51 PM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Did they violate the airspace of other countries?


3 posted on 10/08/2015 10:32:02 PM PDT by Mark17 (Heaven, where the only thing there that's been made by man are the scars in the hands of Jesus)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

OK, so the Rooskies can launch their version of Tomahawk from small ships.

I’ll bite. Why does the US need large ships? It isn’t the physics of launching the missile.

Maybe because the command and control infrastructure for the Tomahawk needs it, and Russia has offloaded that capability to other ships, and/or ground based stations, we aren’t seeing. Which has its own mix of virtues and drawbacks.


4 posted on 10/08/2015 10:32:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Are these the awesome missiles, some of which landed in Iraq instead of Syria? Good shootin tex!


5 posted on 10/08/2015 10:34:53 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

I think it was Iran, but either way you make a great point. They didn’t launch hundreds.

for four to miss their targets in 2015, isn’t that kind of bad.

i dont know i dont know much about military hardware. just sounds like a large number out of 21.


6 posted on 10/08/2015 10:39:50 PM PDT by dp0622
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“some of which landed in Iraq instead of Syria?”

Maybe that was intentional?

Last I checked, ISIS stood for Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.


7 posted on 10/08/2015 10:40:17 PM PDT by Helicondelta
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To: dp0622

Thanks for the correction, it was indeed Iran.


8 posted on 10/08/2015 10:42:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Helicondelta

My bad, meant to type Iran.


9 posted on 10/08/2015 10:42:52 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t think it has anything to do with the missiles; if you compare the sizes of various USN and Russian missiles (leaving out ballistic missiles), you will find the Russian ones are invariably heavier/bigger. With its reliance on satellite targeting, you can launch a modern cruise missile from any ship.

The difference in sizes is a question of naval orientation. The U.S. needs big ships since its primarily an expeditionary force, while the Russian navy has to worry about its immediate vicinity. The smallest major surface combatant class in the USN -the LCS- is almost twice the displacement of Russia’s new Project 20380 class corvettes, which can carry the Kalibr missile. The LCS’s current main anti-ship weapon is probably the Hellfire missile!.


10 posted on 10/08/2015 10:55:19 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back.


11 posted on 10/08/2015 11:04:03 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Step away from the Koolade.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“This was another demonstration of Russian weakness”, said our Community Organizer in Chief. “Did they destroy any hospitals? Our missiles can destroy hospitals.”


12 posted on 10/08/2015 11:04:54 PM PDT by Rainier1789 (My Constitution has a 2nd and 10th Amendment)
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To: Mastador1
Are these the awesome missiles, some of which landed in Iraq instead of Syria? Good shootin tex!

Might have been a targeting error, or in-flight malfunction, or even the U.S. or Israel testing an electronic countermeasures weapon.

13 posted on 10/08/2015 11:11:13 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Mastador1
Are these the awesome missiles, some of which landed in Iraq instead of Syria? Good shootin tex!

I hope you're not under the impression every missile fired hits its target.

I remember (because I lived near Eglin, AFB) when we ended up with a Tomahawk landing in Alabama...

ISIS put pics online when one of our Tomahawks crashed last year.

For some reason that didn't make as much press.

Russians are going to use the opportunity we've fostered in Syria to test out new toys they've built. I'd expect 'teething' problems.

14 posted on 10/08/2015 11:13:25 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: HiTech RedNeck

We have had that capability since the 1980’s.


15 posted on 10/08/2015 11:15:20 PM PDT by exnavy (good gun control: two hands, one shot, one kill.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I’ll bite. Why does the US need large ships? It isn’t the physics of launching the missile.

Could it be the physics of large Pentagon budgets?

16 posted on 10/08/2015 11:22:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I’ll bite. Why does the US need large ships?

Depends what you want the ship to be able to do.

Is your ship going to sail from San Diego to Diego Garcia, or is it going to go in circles in the Caspian Sea?

We slapped 8 Harpoons on a friggin Pegasus. Tomahawk isn't so much larger that the same kind of thing couldn't be done, if it was built in the right Congressman's district...

17 posted on 10/08/2015 11:22:34 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Somehow managed to link back to this page, instead of the Pegasus page.
18 posted on 10/08/2015 11:25:00 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The difference in sizes is a question of naval orientation. The U.S. needs big ships since its primarily an expeditionary force, while the Russian navy has to worry about its immediate vicinity.

These boats are floating in a land-locked lake with no St. Lawrence Seaway to get to blue water. And nothing nearby worth bombarding, barring a falling-out with the Ayatollahs.

So, it would seem their only logical purpose would be the current mission: to prove that the US is not the only nation with a cruise missile capability without having to overfly Turkey or join the crowd in the Mediterranean.

19 posted on 10/08/2015 11:34:46 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Let’s see China’s toys now.


20 posted on 10/08/2015 11:37:19 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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