Hewlett-Packard Plans To Cut Up To 30,000 Jobs

IBD ^ | 2015 September 15 | Russ Britt

[Resolute Conservative]

I have found that the last youngster I interviewed (and couple I hired) are very proficient in math and critical thinking, way better than foreigner. Their problem is they are millennial mentality and feel entitled. They think they should make more than what entry level demands, they want to have a voice in decisions (utter BS), they want to come and go as they please, while they work they want to stream videos of video games and other nonsense, and take off all the time for various reasons (main one being BS community service crap they want me to allow on company time).

So it is a choice, qualified Americans that work half the time for double the money or foreigners that are not a technical but sit at their station all day and rarely take days off.

[rarestia]

I struggle with the same problem. I’m 35 and spend my time between work and entertainment in my workspace. I mostly listen to music while I work, but I occupy my cube for 50 hours a week and am on-call during nights and weekends.

I have a coworker 10 years my junior who is a junior engineer and feels that he should be compensated and titled with a senior designation despite my 15+ years of OJT, industry certifications, and higher technical acumen. We get along for the most part, but he has no problem stabbing me in the back when he can. Meanwhile, he’s either on Reddit or YouTube for over half of his regular shift and watches the clock to leave exactly at the 8 hour mark.

I don’t get the younger generations with their entitlement mentality. Then they get sullen and angry when hard workers get promoted. We’re all of a sudden “ass-kissers” and “brown-nosers” for putting in the time and effort to rise.

[CPT Clay]

How long til this is blamed on Carly?

[Resolute Conservative]

That clock watching thing... I will say I do not expect any of my staff to give the company anything but I have a couple that come in at 7am, do not leave for lunch and eat at their desk (even though they walk down to the cafe in the building lobby and come back up) and they leave at exactly 3pm not a minute later. They get all po’ed when I schedule 3pm meetings and stuff or ask where they were when I had a question at 4:15.

The industry (Microsoft, Cisco, Dell, Apple etc...) will never admit it, but I guarantee that more work and innovation was achieved with the older generation. I do not see how anything gets done working basically a 5 hours day and being mainly unengaged when here... and do give me the BS line about work smarter not harder.

[rarestia]

I’m one of those 7-3 types, but I’m always in the office between 6:30 - 6:45, often don’t leave until closer to 3:30, and when I eat at my desk, I legitimately eat at my desk. I take 5 minutes to nuke my lunch, but I’m sitting at my computer working on something or will stop in the middle of eating to help some if they call, email, IM, walk-up. If meetings are scheduled after 3, I don’t complain, I just go and chalk it up to the needs of the job.

There’s a difference between taking advantage and working smarter. I prefer to work smarter. I have commitments at home and in my private life and am grateful that my employer allows me to work an early schedule.

[RinaseaofDs]

Actually, they are.

1. Companies aren’t willing to train specifically
2. H1-B’s will work for peanuts
3. Cheaper to leave the position open until they can fill it with an H1-B

This whole ‘labor shortage’ phenomena has as much science behind it as Global warming.

[Resolute Conservative]

I don’t mind it per se, don’t get me wrong I do not give away my time, but one guy especially just disappears. He s part of a 5 person team and stays disengaged and it is like he sneaks out at 3 to keep from being asked to stay. His time may be limited he has other issues as well.

[VideoDoctor]

Gee.. what a good sign. Now UNEMPLOYMENT can tick DOWN another point or two. /s

[ConservingFreedom]

It used to be that if supply was not meeting demand then you raised the price you were willing to pay and the supply would increase.

There's plenty of supply - but many corporations feel entitled to pay Third World salaries, and can't see past the current quarter's profit statement to see the harm that lowballing does to their quality and productivity.

[ConservingFreedom]

H-1B ping. Let me know if you're not on the list and want to be added (or are and want to be removed).

[knittnmom]

Great. now it will take even longer to get service on a printer.

[american colleen]

You hit on something I often think of.

One of the problems of offshoring IT is that the opportunities to learn IT from the basics up while in college/starting in IT don’t exist like they used to.

The best IT people I know got into it early and understand it from the ground up - whether they were in college for STEM education from that time or even if they had degrees in other majors.

IT is really a mess these days. All over the place.

[CutePuppy]

Work visas are not limited to IT only, but speaking of IT, consider larger implications of offshoring/inshoring/re-shoring: the "cloud" and SaaS/PaaS make a lot of these issues even more difficult for in-house personnel:

           

           

           

A significant number of CIOs and IT directors believe that the phrase "IT department" will eventually cease to exist, according to a recent survey from Logicalis. There's no need to panic, however, because there will always be a huge demand — in fact, there will be a rapidly increasing demand — for tech professionals, especially those who combine IT skills with business-focused savvy. The accompanying survey report, "Establishing the Internal Service Provider: A Global Study of CIO Pressures and Priorities," depicts a dramatically evolving landscape in which technology leaders, managers and staff are getting more involved with ROI-impacting initiatives, while business units are making their own decisions about technology acquisitions. In the past, organizational leadership often took issue with internal users who circumvented IT to get the tech they wanted: a practice referred to as "shadow IT." Now, however, shadow IT is increasingly perceived as a logical means to an end in terms of addressing unfulfilled needs to support objectives. "It is clear that businesses don't want a technology solution," says Mike Martin, senior vice president of solutions and services for Logicalis US. "They want their business needs to be met. That means the CIO's role must change from that of a technology provider to one that is laser-focused on delivering IT services that meet line-of-business users' needs." More than 177 global CIOs and IT directors took part in the research.

Dennis McCafferty is a freelance writer for Baseline Magazine. (Baseline, 2014-12-19)

[RinaseaofDs]

Fantasy.

I agree that software virtualization will continue to be a trend.

However, at some point, you run out of available CPU cycles. Then there’s the inexplicable demise of some large company’s entire infrastructure, and its backups.

Then there is the internet, which will explode a little more when private versions of the internet start to manifest themselves. Users will only be allowed biometrically.

Even the clouds will come home. I remember when it was cheap to make stuff in Japan. China is not all that happy about having grown a middle class.

You think people will offshore to Africa? Not bloody likely.

[9YearLurker]

Yep.

[rarestia]

The problem with shadow IT and with service-based IT models is the lack of enterprise cohesion. You usually have a CISO or risk manager who needs all IT systems to have antivirus. Then you need IDS/IPS in front of your firewalls. Then you need to have a comprehensive patching process. Then you need to have consolidated hosting. In the end, it brings everything back to an in-house team needing to keep the ship running.

I am all too familiar with this way of working. I spend a lot of time writing documentation for our offshore resources, only to have to be the bad guy at least once a week, because one of them, usually a “new hire,” did something outside of the established practices that either caused or exacerbated an outage. As time goes on, the number of IT professionals needed in house will go down, but their skill sets will need to be vast and deep. Patience is key, and I know most IT engineers often lack that quality.

[CutePuppy]

The problem with shadow IT and with service-based IT models is the lack of enterprise cohesion....

I am all too familiar with this way of working. I spend a lot of time writing documentation for our offshore resources, only to have to be the bad guy at least once a week...

As time goes on, the number of IT professionals needed in house will go down, but their skill sets will need to be vast and deep. Patience is key, and I know most IT engineers often lack that quality.

Exactly, you are speaking from experience and confirming everything that the article is pointing out about the "shadow IT" especially in variety of "hybrid" models, which are getting more and more popular. Most have been done haphazardly from the beginning, due to lack of experience or vision but their use is expanding and, as the article and you noted, requires higher level of both technical skill sets and business acumen as well as leading to reduced number of in-house IT personnel.

OT: Then you need IDS/IPS in front of your firewalls. Then you need to have a comprehensive patching process. Then you need to have consolidated hosting.

Check out NetScaler (11.0 is the latest rev.) at the front or the periphery (depending on your configuration — it might reduce a lot of frustration if used properly — the functionality capabilities are beyond what they can "legally" claim.