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Father who lost son warns parents on guns
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 09/11/2015 | Mari A. Schaefer,

Posted on 09/12/2015 2:09:37 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

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To: GingisK

I could have _easily_ loaded it with the trigger lock attached. The trigger lock does not prevent insertion of full magazine, and work the slide to chamber a round; at that point, sufficient pressure on the trigger lock (most easily achieved by placing the back of the gun on the floor and pressing straight down with both hands, blowing one’s own head off in the process).


41 posted on 09/12/2015 5:39:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The anti-gun forces have figured out that they have lost any rational argument, so they have to use EMOTION and sappy kid-suicide stories to convince people to give up their guns.

WELL, I WON'T GIVE MINE UP.

Going to bed now so I can be rested to shoot an action pistol match in the morning.

42 posted on 09/12/2015 7:02:38 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: ctdonath2

Anyone who works so hard to defeat safeties isn’t really an indication of a problem with guns.


43 posted on 09/12/2015 7:06:10 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

Don’t have kids, do you?


44 posted on 09/12/2015 7:24:44 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: Little Ray
IF the kid went to that much trouble to kill himself, then the fix was in. If he hadn’t used a gun, he would have found something else.

Exactly right. I have trigger-locks on my guns, mandatory in California with kids in the house. I also have a tool shed with tools capable of cutting the lock in a minute or two. A teenager will easily defeat a trigger-lock, but if they decide to do that then their decision to take suicide is not just an impulse decision but a planned mission. They could more easily cut their wrists by running them through a bandsaw, mission accomplished. My wife's sister is wondering what compelled her husband to kill himself last month, he blew his head off with a shotgun. Having a gun had nothing to do with his need to end his life, as he would have found other ways to do so, it was in his character.

45 posted on 09/12/2015 7:25:46 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: FreeAtlanta

A religion of pieces suicide bomber.

Let’s ban the second amendment because a Muslim radical blew himself up and his daddy is mad about it being “uselesss” - not taking out infidels! How odd.


46 posted on 09/12/2015 7:48:57 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Snickering Hound

And gun control doesn’t look like his only liberal cause.

...

What was a liberal doing with a gun?


47 posted on 09/12/2015 7:56:36 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ctdonath2

Trigger locks can be worse than useless in most situations.

http://youtu.be/S_4QvNmfti4


48 posted on 09/12/2015 8:01:21 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Have to agree with you totally. We own side arms and a 12 guage, when our Grands and Great Grands come over they are all stored in a Bolted down locked Gun safe.

My boys were raised around guns as was I, and we KNEW not to touch Dad’s guns. None of us ever did.

Kids watch to many vid games where there is not real death or consequences. They mess with their minds.

Come try and pry mine out of my hands, my 16 year old was BEAT TO DEATH BY A SOCIOPATH for the THRILL to see what it felt like to kill. NOW TELL ME IT’s the GUNS FAULT? A 2 ft section of FENCE POST WAS USED, Jeremy was AMBUSHED about a block from home by the local drug dealing bully. 20 yrs and he served 12.5 and I had to fight for that. Pay for it too out of my pocket, and for his defense, his prison up keep, education, and defense lawyers at the parole hearings. He now walks TN a free man and I CCW as I’m target number 1.


49 posted on 09/13/2015 2:09:12 AM PDT by GailA (mises to Our Troops, you won't keep them to anyone. Ret. SCPO's wife)
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To: Kid Shelleen
My Dad taught me gun safety and took me shooting a lot when I was young. By the time I was 10, he didn't have to worry about me snooping and "getting into his guns".

Education on the topic can prevent a lot of the crap ....

My heart goes out to the man, but there is no indication how much quality time he spent with his son - like maybe taking him shooting or indulging in some other hobby together.

50 posted on 09/13/2015 3:37:06 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: roadcat

I am very sorry for your wife and her sister.
It has to hurt so much.


51 posted on 09/13/2015 4:01:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: GailA

I’m awfully sorry to hear your story. Our world is truly broken. God bless you and your family.


52 posted on 09/13/2015 4:22:17 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Cruz is still my #1, but Trump is impressing the hell out of me.)
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To: ctdonath2
Don’t have kids, do you?

I have raised two sets of children, for a total of five. When I put the weapons away, they were secured in a safe and the ammunition was locked up in another place. When they got older, I even removed the firing pins.

Each child was taught how to shoot at the age of five. They were taught weapons handling safety at the outset.

There is no excuse for placing a child in harms way, and it doesn't take much effort to fully protect them. Trigger locks were mandated by the government; and, as usual, those mandates were ill thought out and hopelessly inadequate.

53 posted on 09/13/2015 6:39:59 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Kid Shelleen
I believe these numbers about as much as I believe their global warming nonsense.
BY THE NUMBERS

- 20,000 Americans commit suicide per year using a gun.

- 3/4 of teen gun suicides involve a parent's gun.

- 71% of suicides happen within an hour of the person making the decision.

- 3 times more likely for a suicide if there is a gun in the home.

- 306 youths took their lives in 2012, making it the third-leading cause of death for those 10 to 14 years old.

SOURCES: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.



54 posted on 09/13/2015 8:42:07 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Restore Liberty!)
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To: Kid Shelleen
"I am convinced if I didn't have a gun in the house, Cayman would be alive today," he said.

Sorry about that, but what does that have to do with my family. When my kids were teenagers they knew where the guns were and where the keys were located. If the guy went to all that trouble to hide it he must have sensed a problem. He is trying to assuage his guilt by doing this video.

55 posted on 09/13/2015 8:54:35 AM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: GingisK

Good - so you understand what staggeringly stupid acts of heroic effort kids will engage in. And so you understand how stupid I think trigger locks are, precisely because kids will do such staggeringly stupid things.


56 posted on 09/13/2015 11:37:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: ctdonath2
...so you understand how stupid I think trigger locks are...

Absolutely! Trigger locks give un-knowledgeable people a false sense of security, and nothing more.

57 posted on 09/13/2015 12:51:47 PM PDT by GingisK
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