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Trump can't actually win, can he?
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 6, 2015 | Doyle McManus

Posted on 09/06/2015 10:19:29 AM PDT by Biggirl

I talked with Republican wise men last week — sober establishment strategists who have seen many presidential campaigns come and go — to ask them how long the improbable popularity of Donald Trump can last. Reassure me, I said: He can't actually win, right? Their answers surprised me.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; doylemcmanus; election2016; gop; iowa; losangelesslimes; losangelestimes; newyork; shortlist; trump; yeshecan
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To: Lurkinanloomin
...he may not be philosophically conservative, but he is philosophically American.

Bingo.

41 posted on 09/06/2015 10:49:36 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: HarleyLady27; JRandomFreeper
BEARS REPEATING Oh yes he can and he is....we the people have had enough of the lies and corruption of our spineless sissy politcans and there isn't one candidate out there that isn't bought and paid for other than Trump

....there isn't one out there that has the dream of a Beautiful America, the only reason they are there is to get their five minutes of glory, it's not about us, it's about them, all of them EXCEPT Trump

... I recieved this from a friend of mine last night, pretty interesting read:

Considering the Denver Post is a liberal paper I'm surprised they published this. This really shows how the hiring of illegals is false economic practice.

Tina Griego is a Free-Lance reporter for the Denver Post. She writes some really good stuff and she is a strong advocate for LEGAL immigration. Homework on issues is part of her make-up and fabric.

What if they left? Somebody really did their homework on this one. Best on the subject to date. It does not have a political slant to it; it’s just the facts: Not Democratic, not Republican, not liberal, and not conservative.

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?

I, Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament."

I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week.

Hernandez said, "Illegal aliens pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes. What happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

Hmmm, I thought, what would happen? So I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below. It's a good question... it deserves an honest answer.

Over 80% of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons.

It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested.

Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grandchildren would move back "home," mostly to Mexico. That would save Colorado an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs.

It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone. ​ ​ Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% dropout/flunk rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages.

At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

Denver's 4% unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home,' the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids.

Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation.

No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters! Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy which currently suffers a $20 trillion debt. $20 trillion debt!!!

At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country - brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders. ​

​ Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities.

It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11% of our greenhouse gases. Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas, to San Diego, California, in what the New York Times called, 'colonias' or new neighborhoods.

Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases, drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, roads, electricity, or any kind of sanitation. The New York Times reported them to be America's new 'Third World' inside our own country.

Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their own countries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally annually, more than all other countries combined.

We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation. It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life. Interesting Statistics!

Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

1. $14 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens (that's Billion with a 'B') .

(I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO #2)

3. $7.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they still cannot speak a word of English .

5. $27 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars 'PER DAY' is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. That's $1.2 Billion a year.

7. 28% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $190 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.

11. During the year 2005, there were 8 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from other terrorist countries. Over 10,000 of those were middle-eastern terrorists. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin, crack, guns, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.

12. The National Policy Institute estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $65 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin, to their families and friends.

14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States! Total cost a whopping $538.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! If this doesn't bother YOU, then just delete the message. Otherwise, forward this to everyone YOU know!

42 posted on 09/06/2015 10:54:54 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: ronnie raygun

PLEASE TELL ME ITS NOT SO! liberals going off the deep end..............lets help them!


Liberals love taxes.. TRUMP is a taxor.. a TARIFF is a Tax.. just priming the tax pump..
AND tariffs on many countrys raises much tax money for the federal givernment..
With the other fairly unspoken taxes he will impose.. he brags about it.. don’t speak of them often..

LIBERALS Love that.. speak of raising taxes and their eyes roll back..
Trump could get more democrat votes than republican votes..

And he will increase the size of federal givernment too..
Liberals just love that.. TRUMP will slowly convert democrats to democrats..
which seems impossible.. but not if you say you’re democrat at heart.. but are conservative..

Some people even think thats a logical statement..
And BULL Sperm of the slipperiest kind.. i.e. maybe mucus..


43 posted on 09/06/2015 10:55:17 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: going hot

OH YOU DID IT!!!!!!!!!! Oh you sweet person (((***))) hugs and kisses.....I so wanted to get that message out, and it wouldn’t take the ‘Denver Post’ so I tried doing it in the reply box and it looked fine, and then I posted it and what a mess....

Thank you so much for doing this for me!!!


44 posted on 09/06/2015 10:58:08 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ("It's the hard working, tax paying citizens of the United States that are suffering..."Go TRUMP 2016)
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To: HarleyLady27
Pleasure is all mine. I will forward it to all on my e mail list.

Thank you for digging it up.

45 posted on 09/06/2015 11:00:26 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: JoeProBono
"What has Trump done right? He began by grabbing voters' attention with a naked appeal to anti-immigrant anger."

LIE.

Doyle, remember taking this oath?
Certainly, you are no journalist... you're just another dishonest shill.
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

Society of Professional Journalists CODE OF ETHICS

PREAMBLE
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy.
Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, fair and thorough. An ethical journalist acts with integrity.
The Society declares these four principles as the foundation of ethical journalism and encourages their use in its practice by all people in all media.
Seek Truth and Report It
Ethical journalism should be accurate and fair. Journalists should be honest and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

JOURNALISTS SHOULD:
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Gather, update and correct information throughout the life of a news story.
Be cautious when making promises, but keep the promises they make.
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Recognize a special obligation to serve as watchdogs over public affairs and government. Seek to ensure that the public’s business is conducted in the open, and that public records are open to all.
Provide access to source material when it is relevant and appropriate.
Boldly tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience. Seek sources whose voices we seldom hear.
Avoid stereotyping. Journalists should examine the ways their values and experiences may shape their reporting.
Label advocacy and commentary.
Never deliberately distort facts or context, including visual information. Clearly label illustrations and re-enactments.
Never plagiarize. Always attribute.

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Balance the public’s need for information against potential harm or discomfort.
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Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage. Use heightened sensitivity when dealing with juveniles, victims of sex crimes, and sources or subjects who are inexperienced or unable to give consent.
Consider cultural differences in approach and treatment.
Recognize that legal access to information differs from an ethical justification to publish or broadcast. Realize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than public figures and others who seek power, influence or attention. Weigh the consequences of publishing or broadcasting personal information.
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Consider the long-term implications of the extended reach and permanence of publication. Provide updated and more complete information as appropriate.
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The highest and primary obligation of ethical journalism is to serve the public.

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Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived. Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
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Abide by the same high standards they expect of others.

46 posted on 09/06/2015 11:01:18 AM PDT by Eddie01
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To: HarleyLady27
If it has not already been posted, perhaps you should post it on it's own thread.

Likely to attract much more interest.

47 posted on 09/06/2015 11:01:59 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: hosepipe

Cruz is my choice, but as I’ve stated many times before, if Trump gets the nomination I’ll support him. Can’t say that about any of the GOPe amnesty pimps.


48 posted on 09/06/2015 11:02:15 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: going hot
"Yeah, they reach for their lunch bag on the shelf, and it's not there."

When I was in the fifth grade (early 60's) the teacher had an unruly boy sit under her desk as punishment while she stood at the blackboard and walked around the room.

She never used that as a form of punishment again because while sitting under her desk he ate her lunch.

True story.

49 posted on 09/06/2015 11:02:30 AM PDT by Amntn
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To: Hugin
Former New York Mayor Ed Koch.

50 posted on 09/06/2015 11:02:40 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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To: Amntn

Snicker! Kid was on the ball.


51 posted on 09/06/2015 11:04:30 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Biggirl

“Last week, he bobbled a question from conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, admitting testily that he didn’t know the names of the leaders of Al Qaeda or Islamic State.”

I suspect that President Trump will somehow find people that get off on knowing who the leader of Al Qaeda and ISIS are.


52 posted on 09/06/2015 11:05:01 AM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: hosepipe

I’ll take a tariff over a tax any day. It’s the preferred method of funding that our Founders chose to fund their originally intended LIMITED federal government.


53 posted on 09/06/2015 11:05:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: crusher2013

Me neither. I am fed up with the liars. Will never vote for the lesser again. This country needed someone like Trump to wake up the silent majority and I think he has.


54 posted on 09/06/2015 11:06:16 AM PDT by MamaB (Heb. 13:2)
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To: Biggirl
"It's not inconceivable," Vin Weber, a former congressman (and Jeb Bush supporter)

OMG, the LAT quoted Vin Weber!!!! That's it folks, it's all over for Trump....

Now I must admit I have no idea who the...*&^% Vin Weber is...☺ But he must be a great Republican wise man~

55 posted on 09/06/2015 11:07:56 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
If Trump is the only way to stop the Cheap Labor Express because both parties are conspiring against the people, then it seems like a reasonable thing to accept that he may not be philosophically conservative, but he is philosophically American.
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What does that mean?.. sounds like double speak.. i.e. Trumpspeak..

SO it seems to mean "he is a democrat/liberal" and says conservative sounding things SO THAT makes him a conservative?...
SO VOTE for him because he is a really conservative..

AM I right...

Somebody needs to lay off the BONG.. cause it's getting STUPID OUT THERE...

56 posted on 09/06/2015 11:09:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Jim Robinson

Cruz is my choice, but as I’ve stated many times before, if Trump gets the nomination I’ll support him. Can’t say that about any of the GOPe amnesty pimps.


Trump or HELLary?...

one option.. it would be like Russian Roulette..
Might get lucky.. OR NOT..


57 posted on 09/06/2015 11:12:05 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: JoeProBono
How cozy! Billo and Trump! No wonder Billo has given Trump uncharacteristically soft coverage. Sad. Even more sad is that I think that's the case for many of the people covering and commenting on his campaign. I watched a bit of Jeanine Pirro's softball interview with Trump last night until I had to turn it off. A woman who has a reputation for being tough as nails was kissing his backside with the most inane questions. And I heard promos for an all-Trump Hannity show which airs tonight (or tomorrow, can't remember for sure).

I have to laugh at all those who are convinced that FOX is in bed with the Establishment. Bull bleep! If FOX were exercising journalistic integrity concerning Trump's candidacy, Trump wouldn't be doing nearly as well as he is.

58 posted on 09/06/2015 11:13:32 AM PDT by ru4liberty (Trump's age: chronological = 69 YO; emotional = 12 YO. Frickin' embarrassing!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ll take a tariff over a tax any day. It’s the preferred method of funding that our Founders chose to fund their originally intended LIMITED federal government.


OK you’re ok with Tariffs.. what about all the other taxes he proposes and the (probable) ones he will not speak of..

Q: Where does it STOP.. A: it doesn’t..


59 posted on 09/06/2015 11:14:51 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: going hot

The writer missed Trump’s point entirely!

Trump wants all illegals deported first, and then the good ones, who are actually contributing to the economy of United States invited back expeditiously as LEGAL immigrants.

Trump wants to follow laws, NOT ignore them.


60 posted on 09/06/2015 11:16:12 AM PDT by entropy12 (Trump is incorruptible. He is the only candidate without rich donors.)
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