To: Yosemitest
Ishmael was not a Muslim.
18 posted on
09/04/2015 8:33:27 AM PDT by
Mrs. Don-o
(Allah Fubar.)
To: Mrs. Don-o
All things written in the Bible must come to pass,
and we WILL get to
the day worse than has ever been.
And this too shall pass...
They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly.
Forasmuch therefore as your treading is upon the poor,
and ye take from him burdens of wheat: ye have built houses of hewn stone, but ye shall not dwell in them;
ye have planted pleasant vineyards, but ye shall not drink wine of them.
For I know your manifold transgressions and your mighty sins: they afflict the just, they take a bribe, and they turn aside the poor in the gate from their right.
Can you remember reading about "a thorn in their side"?
"But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes,
and thorns in your sides,
and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.
Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them."
The command I await is...
"Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them".
21 posted on
09/04/2015 8:37:33 AM PDT by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
To: Mrs. Don-o
Do you NOTY understand that God was not ONLY speaking of
"Ishmael,", but of ALL
the nations (n an ethnic sense only) that would descend OUT of his loins ?
Read Genesis 25:12-16 for a start.
The
writings of an old teacher discusses this issue well.
Ishmael himself was prophesied to become a "wild ass of a man," with "his hand against every man, and every man's hand against him."
The term should not be understood as an insult, the way it would be used today.
Rather, it implied a fierce, hardy, untamed man of the desert; a warrior who would always dwell "near his brethren."
Writing of the history of the Bedoin tribes of the Arab nations of the last century, Kitto says,"Nearly 4,000 years have passed since the Ishmaelites became a nation [a people, not a single political entity],
and yet in disposition, in manners, in habits, in government, in occupation, and even in dress, they are the same as they were at the first"(Kitto's Bible Cyclopedia, vol II, p.431).
As the centuries passed, and as the children of Abraham through Keturah mingled with the children of Abraham through Hagar and Ishmael, many different Middle Eastern tribes developed.
Eventually, they occupied vast areas from near India in the east to the Mediterranean, and gradually spread across Northern Africa.
"And it has not been in the confines of their own desert home only that`the hand of the Ishmaelite has been against every man.'
Inspired by the fierce fanaticism, and led by the daring chiefs of Mohammed,
they carried their victorious arms to the banks of the Oxus and the Indus on the east, and over Syria, Egypt, Northern Africa, and Spain, to the shore of the Atlantic on the west" (ibid. P. 431).
Notice that the Bible said the sons of Ishmael were listed by "their cities and their camps," and by their "princes according to their nations."
Kitto says,"In this respect the statements in the Bible exactly accord with the ancient traditions and histories of the Arabs themselves.
Native historians divide the Arabs into two races:1. Pure Arabs; descendants of Joktan;
and 2. Mixed Arabs, descendants of Ishmael" (ibid. p. 430).
For many centuries, the "purest Arabs" were known as "Bedouins," which meant "dwellers in the open land," or nomads.
The term is"...the name given to the most important, as it is the best known, division of the Arab race.
The Bedouins are the descendants of the Arabs of North Arabia whose traditions claim Ishmael as their ancestor.
The deserts of North Arabia seem to have been their earliest home, but even in ancient times they had migrated to the lowlands of Egypt and Syria.
The Arab conquest of northern Africa in the 7th century A.D. caused a wide dispersion,
so that today the Arab element is strongly represented in the Nile Valley[most modern citizens of Egypt are Arabs, not ethnic Egyptians],
Saharan, and Nubian peoples" (The Encyclopedia Britannica, Eleventh Edition, Vol. 3, p. 623).
The earliest known traditions among the Arabs of the Saudi Arabian peninsula[the name "Saudi" is strictly a family, or tribal name]
are that their people are derived from two stocks,the "...pure Arabs, descended from Kahtan or Joktan, fourth in descent from Shem;
and the Mustarab or naturalized Arabs, from Ishmael" (ibid. Vol. 2. p. 261).
Therefore, according to their own traditions, the many Arab nations represent a mixture of Hamitic and Semitic stocks.
The same authority says,"Arabia is a land of Semites, and is supposed by some scholars to have been the original home of the Semitic peoples.
Although this cannot be said to be proved, the studies, linguistic and archaeological, of Semitic scholars have shown it to be probable.
The dispersion from Arabia is easy to imagine.
The migration into Babylonia was simple, as there are no natural boundaries to separate it from northeast Arabia...the connection with Palestine has always been close
...Arabian literature has its own version of prehistoric times, but it is entirely legendary and apocryphal" (ibid. P. 263).
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28 posted on
09/04/2015 9:12:43 AM PDT by
Yosemitest
(It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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