Posted on 08/28/2015 8:59:19 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd
See, this is why I never thought Trump was serious. If he really wanted Obama gone after 2012, he would have primaried him instead of flirting with running as a Republican.
Very few GOP primary candidates are.
“There is NOTHING more conservative than stopping a permanent democrat/marxist voting majority and doing whats best for the people and the country. By virtue of Mr.Trump’s position on illegal immigration he “Trumps” all others conservatism.” [Credit to FReeper Lopeover for this quote].
Be on guard against being too "sophisticated" - and I say that as someone with 3 graduate degrees from pretty good institutions, someone who "should" be thinking along the lines of, say, George Will. I would love an ideologically pure nominee...but I'm much more interested in someone who can beat the America-hating Dems, dramatically slow the flow of illegals (and even reverse it over time) and, in general, save this nation while doing 75% of what I want - vs. the pure conservative who can't get elected.
"The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good." General George S. Patton, Jr.
Listen, I want Cruz to be the next President - but he's at about 7%, roughly tied with at least 3 others and well behind Trump and (believe it or not) Carson. I question whether he can even get the nomination, let alone win - and with this being an election that is anything BUT typical, maybe we need a candidate who EXEMPLIFIES "anything but typical." I'm still in Cruz' corner, but I was also in Fred Thompson's corner in 2008 - and that never came to much. With some luck, maybe Cruz will be Trump's Veep, or be the AG and clean up the criminals in DC before being nominated for the Supreme Court (wouldn't THAT make the lieberals' heads explode!) or running for Prez in 2024.
Really? I used bad grammar?
Sorry.
If that Democrat built the wall
But my point is not that I have been a Conservative for over sixty years. It is that there is a point in each of us, who become active in the fight, when we wake up. It is ridiculous that some folk want to deny the "Donald" the right to wake up!
He is a proud man; do you really believe that he is faking "waking up"; that he wants to sacrifice his reputation as a great "doer," with a discrediting fake, that would later destroy his image from a lifetime of achievement?
No.
Because then I wouldn’t give him the benefit of the doubt.
A Republican might sincerely change his poistion on an issue, as might a Dummocrat. But then the D would change parties, because there is only one “big tent” party, and it ain’t the party of Obama.
A Republican might insincerely change his mind on a issue just to get votes, as might a Dhimmicrat. But my calculation is that he would be more likely to dance with girl that brung him, once elected, than the D would. It’s chancy, though.
Either one might lie through their teeth.
I rate the R’s as somewhat less than twice as likely to be telling the truth as the D’s.
Ya got to play the probabilities, hold your nose, and vote for the one you think is most likely to agree with you on the most or most important (immigration this time) issue(s).
So, unless Jeb gets the nomination, I will probably vote R, regardless. It’s not certain, though. I’ve never been disappointed with our R presidents, because I never expected much of them. Just hoped that I could.
Nice try though.
I guess you're right. Trump fits into the conservative/Republican party so much better.
I would vote for Trump if he were nominated depending on his opponent. If he were a D running against Jeb Bush, YEP. If he were a D running against Cruz, Walker, Paul or Ben Carson, NOPE.
His plans are not of the Democratic platform...His plans are not of the GOPe platform...
His plans ARE of the Conservative Americans ideas...
As a conservative independent, I’d vote for Trump...
The democrats would implode if he were on the democratic primary campaign...Not just the politicans, but all the liberal bedwetting democrats in blue America...
And he ...
- was just as politically incorrect
- was pro gun
- calls anchor babies anchor babies and wants to end that
- want to build the great Trump wall and end illegal immigration
- was anti-abortion
- was anti the Iran deal
- got in the media’s face
- wanted to make America great again (as we understand what that means)
- wouldn’t put up with the the type of crap BLM pull (Jorge Ramos)
- ...
then yes, I would.
“We need a Republican that can UNITE people, like Ben Carson.”
I admire Dr. Carson, but we need someone who has a chance to be elected, even if he’s not ideologically pure. Patton said that “The Perfect is the enemy of the Good.”
Carson, for all of his truly great qualities, has never really been in any kind of a management position...vs. Trump who, for all of his negative qualities (and he has many), pretty much defines “management experience.” Remember, the job of a good CEO is to set policy, and to pick good managers to implement said policy. The President is nothing much more than the CEO of the Executive Branch. Because of the disconnect between their relative levels of management experience, Trump trumps Carson (no pun intended, really).
Please see my post #63 for a fuller explanation.
Sorry. Didn't mean to get your angry, bitter gall raised up. But thanks for your answer.
Reagan was a Democrat at one time or did you forget?
That is an unreasonable question because it assumes that Trjump would have the same kind of success as now. Everything Trump is saying is so undemocrat that I doubt he would have the same success.
But if he did I definitely would.
I don’t support him now, if he were to win the nomination I would probably vote with less enthusiasm than I had for Dole, McCain or Romney. I would not vote for him as a democrat. Trump vs. Jeb, I would vote down ticket. I do not trust The Donald, his whole history is saying what people want to hear and I’ll give him that, he’s certainly doing it now. We don’t need another President ruling by executive fiat, especially with a GOP to weak to oppose him.
Good points. When I said 'apolitical'; the term 'aparty' would have been a better fit. And it looks like a lot of people don't abide by the two party system. Lots of us FReepers see only a uni-party system in DC.
And as evidenced by the "yes" responses on this thread - many would soon vote for a democrat as they would for a liberal with an (R) after his name.
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Yes they do. How very intersting to see that even Hispanics are polling for Donald.
No.
Next question.
“Yes. I gave up voting based on party affiliation. Now I vote based on ideology and policy.”
That’s fine, but how can you believe what they say?
If Trump ran as a Democrat, he would either be merely CLAIMING to be one in order to win the election and then change his position, making him a liar; or he would ACTUALLY BE a Democrat, giving him about a 99.9999% chance of being a liar.
Either way, I would not support Trump as a Democrat, regardless of what is his supposed position. Look at what our present POS in the White Hut claimed before his first election as opposed to what he really did afterward.
I would not support God if He ran as a Democrat, because I know it would really be merely the Devil in disguise.
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