Nailed It !
Posted on 08/26/2015 7:08:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Not this one.
We’re not sure with the current one. He acts more like a unitarian.
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I am surprised the Vatican under this Pope didn’t approve a memorial to Marx, Lenin, and Che Guevara. I suppose they’ll get around to it.
Nailed It !
And when is the gay night-club opening?
Ya’know, inclusion and all that.
They shouldn’t object to it. Back in those days they were dead wrong about the things he listed.
Zing! There it is!
What I don’t get, is why there? In Germany, ok. But is there some reason this location in Rome was chosen? Some Luther connection?
If not, this seems to just be sticking in the eye of people.
He had some legitimate grievances (which the Church had to address), but in the end he was neurotic about his own soul and strayed far from Christ’s teachings regarding salvation.
Well, personally I think he was closer to the truth that the Roman church. That’s why I’m a protestant. But what I don’t get, is why his statue is being built in Rome. Did Luther have a connection to that area where they are proposing this?
Did he live there? Study there? etc,,,
It seems to just be antagonistic. I doubt anyone would build a statue of Leo X in Wittenberg.
As to his neurosis, personally he is a flawed guy in many ways. I honestly doubt any of the players then would approve of ANY Christian denomination today, Roman catholic or protestant.
The move contrasts sharply from views held by Luther around the time of his visit to Rome, when it was said he repeated the saying, "If there is a hell, Rome is built over it."I just love sectarian turmoil, but this is a great quote, regardless.
Francis is trying to reform the reformation and bring Protestant churches back under Rome’s umbrella. Knowing how messed up the church is, his ploy just might work!
This square isn’t in Vatican City; it is in Rome itself. They can name their streets however they wish.
I conceded he had valid points (which the Church had to address in the Counter-Reformation); the fact that there are different Lutheran denominations today with huge differences in theology is the most basic of his flaws. When you’re born rebelling against authority, good luck trying to assert any later...
Some Lutheran denominations resulted from the desire to conduct services in English rather than German. That wasn't theology. In recent times, factions like the ELCA wanted to be more "I'm OK, you're OK" so that they could have female and most recently homo pastors. The Wisconsin and Missouri Synod churches are still pretty straight-laced Lutherans, adhering very closely with Luther's doctrine.
Some of us Lutherans are just real sorry that the ELCA imagines itself to be Lutheran.
I was talking more about the clergy issues than the language; both sides simply can’t be correct.
I understand that Rome is not Vatican City. I further understand that the City of Rome can name a square or street whatever they please.
And I do not care to discuss Luther’s reforms per se.
I simply said I am a protestant. I don’t really care about him or if he was able to assert authority later. There is little point in replacing a Roman C Pope, with an ersatz Protestant pope. I don’t think the point of his reform was to assert some new authority.
But all of those things aside. Rome is correctly viewed as a heavily Catholic city with a very thin Protestant tradition. So my question, as simple as I know to ask it is; even though Rome obviously has the right, why is it naming this square after the Catholic churches chief opponent? It just seems odd.
It would be like building a statue of Sheridan somewhere in Atlanta.
If you can take off the apologetic blinders for a moment, you might notice that I as a Protestant, am basically arguing that this Luther Square seems antagonistic to a large predominantly Catholic city.
I understood your point completely (without blinders); I guess I should have responded by saying a statue of Sherman (or Philip Sheridan) would be completely appropriate in Atlanta if the population was pro-Yankee at some point down the road.
Rome hasn’t been “Catholic” in half a century; any American Lutheran (or any other Protestant) would feel quite at home there.
51 million Catholics. 725k protestants. Around a million and a half other orthodox.
That’s the breakdown in Italy currently. My point stands. You are simply being contrary.
I'm a Catholic and I agree with you, it seems bizarre to name some location in Rome in honor of Martin Luther (especially given all the anti-Rome comments that Luther made during his lifetime).
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