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The Oldest Fallacy in Economics: Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have fallen for it
Foundation for Economic Education ^ | 08/25/2015 | DONALD J. BOUDREAUX

Posted on 08/26/2015 5:29:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 08/26/2015 5:29:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The flaw in that argument is that even though we are getting more value in return for what we are paying, the fact is that we are consuming it/plowing it into items that rapidly depreciate in value.


2 posted on 08/26/2015 5:43:00 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: SeekAndFind

We send them numbers and a few little green pieces of paper and they send us useful products. After that, the transaction is done. We’re not required to give them our stuff. We win.


3 posted on 08/26/2015 5:48:07 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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To: SeekAndFind

Increased velocity of money within a country will generate wealth in that country more quickly than removing that money from the country by purchasing imports.

While wealth internationally might grow faster with free trade, wealth growth in a trade-deficit country, by necessity, must grow slower due to reduced capital available.


4 posted on 08/26/2015 5:50:18 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: BinaryBoy

RE: We send them numbers and a few little green pieces of paper and they send us useful products. After that, the transaction is done.

If I owe you $1,000 dollars and cannot pay, I am under your mercy.

If I owe you a trillion dollars and cannot pay, YOU are under MY mercy.


5 posted on 08/26/2015 5:51:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (qu)
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To: BinaryBoy

First you have to have a job to send them those little green pieces of paper.We still need to bring back manufacturing jobs. Then we need to make sure those jobs are available to US citizens.


6 posted on 08/26/2015 5:51:53 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ricardo. Bastiat. Von Mises. Hayek. Friedman. Sowell. Great men, all of them. But, in Economics, just as in science or medicine, theories are updated over time with new data. They never accounted for a colossus such as the United States where it had a comparative advantage in essentially everything or a democratic politics where fragments of citizens could band together as splinters and vote away the rights and pocketbooks of others. No doubt Austrians and the Swiss should stick to watchmaking, no doubt, But try and figure out what the USA should have stuck to after WW2. It did everything better than everyone else. Aggregate cost of goods and services is indeed cheaper in the USA. But, there’s no economy to support wages for the 1/3 of adults not working at all anymore. There is a gap in free trade theory that extends beyond the immediate lower cost of goods. There’s another gap that doesnt account for regulations and politics and taxation and the nanny state.


7 posted on 08/26/2015 5:52:03 AM PDT by major-pelham
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Wealth of Nations argued that the real wealth of a nation consists of its goods and services, not its gold supply.\

Too many people have yet to grasp the full implications of that, even in the twenty-first century. If the goods and services available to the American people are greater as a result of international trade, then Americans are wealthier, not poorer, regardless of whether there is a “deficit” or a “surplus” in the international balance of trade.

They contradicted themselves hoping you're too stupid to notice.

"Its goods and services" doesn't include shit "available" from China unless China wants "its" (our) goods and services...But China instead got the (worthless?) gold

8 posted on 08/26/2015 5:53:20 AM PDT by lewislynn (Meghan Kelley...#sand--Rosie, the Don was right-- Hillary, lipstick on a pig)
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To: SeekAndFind
The American left is forcing jobs offshore through its policies relating to the environment, whereby US companies must comply with stringent regulations, while turd world countries are free to befoul their country sides.

The American left is forcing jobs offshore through its policies relating to taxation and wages. While U.S. Companies are forced to pay artificially high wages and to pay destructive taxes, both costs are transferred into the price to the consumer, so foreign goods look cheaper.

9 posted on 08/26/2015 5:54:07 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: SeekAndFind

We were able to win WWII because we were able to transform our factories from domestic products to war material.

When WWIII begins, where are the factories that we will need for the arms and ammunition? In China, in Mexico?

Shipping jobs overseas so we can buy cheap junk and the Multinational CEO get richer is going to end up costing us more in blood and treasury in the long run.


10 posted on 08/26/2015 5:57:08 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I do not doubt that our climate changes. I only doubt that anything man does has any effect.)
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We were able to win WWII because we were able to transform our factories from domestic products to war material. When WWIII begins, where are the factories that we will need for the arms and ammunition? In China, in Mexico?

Exactly.

11 posted on 08/26/2015 5:58:18 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump has said repeatedly now that he’s a free trader—but that a country just needs to be smart about it.

And he’s right about that.


12 posted on 08/26/2015 5:58:55 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: major-pelham
U.S. productivity after WW2 was mainly due to the destruction of the factories of our manufacturing competitors. Since much of Europe and Japan were in ruins after the war, the first order of business was to rebuild. Since the U.S. was an ocean away from the war's front, we escaped damage and our factories had improved in number and in efficiency. We got to rebuild the world after the war.

No doubt the surest way to regain the manufacturing advantage would be to destroy our competitors again. I think you're right noticing the level of nanny-statism, taxation and environmental arbitrage is what impels our manufacturing offshore. Only ridiculous bravado permits our government to continue to enact regulations and laws which intentionally hamstring our own economy.

13 posted on 08/26/2015 6:03:34 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: VanShuyten

Don’t give facts to free traitors, it messes up their cute little models.


14 posted on 08/26/2015 6:03:44 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Lex rex)
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To: SeekAndFind

Adam Smith said the real wealth of a nation is its goods and services, but I believe he meant the goods and services they produced, not borrowed money to buy.


15 posted on 08/26/2015 6:05:09 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: 9YearLurker

Free trade can only work on a level playing field.


16 posted on 08/26/2015 6:09:18 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Right, which is really Trump’s point.


17 posted on 08/26/2015 6:10:05 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Sgt_Schultze
The American left is forcing jobs offshore through its policies relating to the environment, whereby US companies must comply with stringent regulations, while turd world countries are free to befoul their country sides.

I suspect this economist would say we're 'richer' as a people of we don't befoul our countryside.

18 posted on 08/26/2015 6:14:49 AM PDT by semimojo
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Not advocating for that. But it would be sensible to account for the disparity in our regulations with an appropriate tariff.


19 posted on 08/26/2015 6:24:32 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: semimojo

of = if


20 posted on 08/26/2015 6:25:00 AM PDT by semimojo
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