[rmlew]

Is Charles Murray a REAL Conservative, or an old moderate DemocRAT who is ASHAMED to call himself a "Liberal" ?
He's a libertarian with traditional values. Go read "The Bell Curve" and "Coming Apart". Then apologize for ever ignorant and asinine thing your wrote about Murray in this thread.

[Yosemitest]

[Charles Murray] "He's a libertarian with traditional values."

You mean he supports LEGALIZATION of RECREATIONAL DRUGS ?

You have NOT offered any answers to my questions.
You've offered only INNUENDOES.

Who did he support in 2008, ROMNEY ?
Does he support Paul (since you say he's a "Libertarian" ?

Like most people trying to straighten out the mess Congress has gotten us into, and vote for the "best person to do the job",
I neither have the time, or the inclination to go reading 2 bloviating books by someone who sits around with a bunch of other college/university snobs, discussing how smart they are.

Like Martin Morse Wooster said in one of the quotes I found while trying to figure out if Charles Murray was a PRETEND Conservative, or an out right LIBERAL lying about his conservative values:

Murray sees the American elite as morally hollow.
The upper class does many things well (including having strong and lasting marriages)
but is unwilling and possibly unable to defend the virtues that lead to its success.
“The signs that America’s new upper class has suffered a crisis of self-confidence are hard to ignore,” he writes.
By being separate from the rest of the nation, this class fails to set an example of good behavior that is necessary for everyone to follow in order to succeed.
The elite colleges are implicitly part of that problem.

Intellectuals are known for overthinking problems.
I have a nagging suspicion that Murray may have done exactly that in his argument
that elite colleges are complicit in America’s “coming apart.”
Is it really something new
that the brightest young men and women tend to marry and have very bright children
and that the upper classes don’t mingle much with the rest of society?

Whatever the answers to those questions, Murray offers no specific solutions, including changes in the role of colleges.
Should those schools change admissions policies?
He doesn’t say.
Should the elite individuals change their lives?
All he says is that they should “think about ways to change.”
Here, Murray’s long-established cultural pessimism shows through
we’re facing a problem and there isn’t any clear solution to it.
I hope it’s not as bad as he claims.

But NONE OF THIS answers my questions !

[Yosemitest]

"Auster's First Law of Majority-Minority Relations in Liberal Society:
The worse any designated minority or alien group behaves in a liberal society,
the bigger become the lies of Political Correctness in covering up for that group.
Thus, instead of the revelation over the last 14 months of Islam's dangerous and savage character leading
(as would happen in a rational world)
to a major discrediting of Muslims, or at least to a more skeptical attitude toward them,
it has led to their being more favored, more coddled and more protected from criticism than ever before.
They now get a whole new level of solicitous, sycophantic treatment,
ranging from PBS "histories" of Islam that are more full of uncritical celebration of their subject than a tourist travelogue,
to the media's constant attacks on the rest of us for indulging in an anti-Muslim backlash
which has somehow never occurred.
That last point leads us to the first corollary of Auster's First Law of Majority/Minority Relations in Liberal Society:
The more egregiously any non-Western or non-white group behaves,
the more evil whites are made to appear
for noticing and drawing rational conclusions about that group's bad behavior.
The First Law and its corollary are intrinsic to liberalism.
Once the equality of all human groups is accepted as a given,
any facts that make a minority or foreign group seem worse than the majority native group
must be either covered up
or blamed on the majority."

That's a great statement.

[Yosemitest]

Not just to you, but to those who want to pursue Charles Murray and give him about 48 minutes of your time, here he is on YouTube.:

Charles Murray on Coming Apart ( 47:36 )
Published on Apr 10, 2012
... On Uncommon Knowledge, longtime American Enterprise Institute fellow Charles Murray discusses his controversial new book, Coming Apart,
about what American was, is, and will become.
He also reveals his personal score on his now famous "bubble quiz."