Posted on 08/21/2015 9:44:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Even as the Phillips family is struggling for financial existence against punishing government fines for refusing to bake a gay-wedding cake, Donald Trump is doubling down (along with Kasich) on his position as an antiantigay-marriage Republican.
As Paul Dupont points out, Trump, when asked whether gay marriage was a dead issue, did not respond even by saying he would fight for religious liberty, or the right to make a living. He simply said a constitutional amendment is not going to pass, the Supreme Court has ruled, and its time to move on.
This is from an interview with The Hollywood Reporter:
THR: You say you would have liked the states, rather than the Supreme Court, to decide on gay marriage. Have you been to a gay wedding?
Trump: Yes, I have. [Broadway theater owner] Jordan Roth. You know Jordan, right? Great guy.
THR: So is this a dead issue for the GOP at this point?
Trump: Some people have hopes of passing amendments, but its not going to happen. Congress cant pass simple things, let alone that. So anybody thats making that an issue is doing it for political reasons. The Supreme Court ruled on it.
Hes a fighter, allegedly, but not against the biggest powers that be.
So now we have a weird scenario when the princess candidate of the current establishment (John Kasich) and the alleged insurgent are both unwilling to fight against the redefinition of Christianity as bigotry.
I respect Trump enough to take him seriously as a candidate. He could win Iowa. Are there enough people willing to stand up against the real powers that be to either change the candidates mind, or oppose him?
This is a central untold drama of the election.
I’m not a big fan of his tippy stance on free speech either. (Calling Pam Geller an obnoxious loudmouth and upsetting muslims)
You’re being silly.
I could give you a laundry list of things Trump still has wrong. Even after his decision to run for president caused him to morph away from what he has always been: a radical Left Democrat.
“I do not forget the position assumed by some that constitutional questions are to be decided by the Supreme Court, nor do I deny that such decisions must be binding in any case upon the parties to a suit as to the object of that suit, while they are also entitled to very high respect and consideration in all parallel cases by all other departments of the Government. And while it is obviously possible that such decision may be erroneous in any given case, still the evil effect following it, being limited to that particular case, with the chance that it may be overruled and never become a precedent for other cases, can better be borne than could the evils of a different practice. At the same time, the candid citizen must confess that if the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court, the instant they are made in ordinary litigation between parties in personal actions the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.”
— Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address
Yet Trump managed to respond to the question in a way that didn’t allow him to be the prime target for the gay mafia. In other words, he didn’t shoot off his mouth, which should demonstrate that he’s not all bluster.
I agree with plenty of what he says, I just don’t trust him as far as I could throw him.
It seems to be a pretty common sentiment among all but the true believers.
10/8/15 - Trump firmly against gay marriage
11/17/15 - Trump drafts his own Constitution - The Trumptitution(tm) - protecting religious liberty in this regard
1/3/16 - Trump wants gay marriage to be mandatory
2/26/16 - Gay marriage sickens Trump. It makes America weak.
3/11/16 - Trump gets married to another guy.
Gosh, just think if Trump was as quick and brutal in defense of the core moral principles of the republic as he is in defending himself.
>>You have at least one such candidate I can think of among the 17 running and he is in the top 5 in the polls.<<
Yes, I do. And he hasn’t shown that he has the ability to 1) break out of fringe status and consolidate support (beyond his original base) and 2) get anything much he or I want done in the Senate, although he has been an entertaining obstructionist.
Kasich is not “anti-SSM”
anyone who says that its a done deal and we cant do anything about it ..that its now “the law of the land” and we just have to accept it..
and then goes on to give a glowing report of a SSM that he attended in order to “reach out” to the homosexuals..
is pro-SSM..
as far as I know Kasich has never condemned SSM or said he disagreed with the SCOTUS..
Details, please. Not that I don't want another Obama for 8 years because these general statements are thrown out there but just as support for your argument.
For instance, immigration, ISIS, Iran, economy, etc.
How about the core moral principle that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, starting with the right to live? How about the core moral, constitutional principle that every person must be provided equal protection under the law for their right to live?
Trump has supported killing babies his entire adult life, until he decided to run as as a Republican for president this year.
And even after his Romneyesque morph into a “Republican” “pro-lifer,” he still excludes children whose father was guilty of rape or incest from the equal protection the Constitution requires.
He makes a “health of the mother” exception that you could drive an abortion on demand truck through.
And he thinks its fine to kill any and all the babies, as long as you kill them on schedule. Twenty weeks is his DEAD line, he said.
And, as this story demonstrates, he’s going to go along with whatever the “supreme” court says anyhow. So, it’s clear that Trump’s default is the continuation of abortion on demand.
Nothing but concern trolls on this thread. Gay marriage is over. we lost because the media was allowed to steamroll the country. Trump is right not to pick up this hot potato and you stooges that are complaining about it weren’t voting for him anyway.
He’s pro-life. Whatever he was in the past, he’s made it clear that he is against abortion.
One thing you can’t accuse Trump of is dishonesty. He says it like it is no matter the repercussions. So I’ll take him at his word.
He’s never been pro-life, until this election cycle.
And he’s not pro-life for the innocent children of rapists, or the offspring of those who commit incest.
And he’s not pro-life for the children of mothers who can come up some health excuse for killing their kids.
And he’s not pro-life for any unfortunate innocent child who has not yet reached twenty weeks gestation.
And his default is abortion on demand anyhow, because as this story shows, he thinks that the opinions of the “supreme” court overrule God, and nature, and the Constitution.
Sorry, the Constitution of the United States, the supreme law of our land, requires equal protection for every person. It’s not optional.
Exactly, grania. The problem isn’t even with the president. The problem is with the Congress & with the SCOTUS. Trump (or any other candidate running) could be as socon as possible. He still cannot do it alone.
Sure I can.
He says it like it is no matter the repercussions.
Hogwash. He's morphing from liberal Democrat sophistry to establishment Republican sophistry.
So Ill take him at his word.
His word this election cycle, or last electionn cycle?
If “gay marriage” is over, and the nation is destined to remain the perverted, degenerate sewer that it now is, then the leader I’d pick is frankly the one most likely to usher in its demise.
That said, I haven’t necessarily ruled out Trump. Along with Cruz, Carson and perhaps Jindal, they are the only ones I’d even consider giving my vote to at this point. But Trump is indeed on a knife’s edge with me, and if he were any more squishy on the fag-marriage issue, I’d toss him, despite the great service he’s doing in breaking both the cultural PC strangehold, as well as the ossified GOP-E.
You obviously hate Donald Trump, can’t help you, sorry.
I’m not any happier than anyone about it but there’s no use crying over spilled milk. Do you know what’s nice? You hardly ever even hear about gay marriage any more. Seriously, it was like all gay marriage all the time on the news, and now nothing. Kinda nice.
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