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Cruz: Jeb is 'confused' about my citizenship
POLITICO ^ | August 21, 2015 | Katie Glueck

Posted on 08/21/2015 8:52:17 AM PDT by maggief

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To: Rona Badger

Marcella, I do now see you were commenting on the Vietnam Nam children, apologies if I interrupted!


41 posted on 08/21/2015 9:51:49 AM PDT by Rona Badger (Heeds the calling wind.)
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To: 9YearLurker
I think it's always been the case that American citizenship is not dependent on the rule and traditions of other countries. For instance per the Israeli "Law of Returns" all Jews are citizens of Israel. This has led to many anti-Semites claiming that all Jewish Americans are "dual citizen" with divided loyalty, even if they have never been to Israel or had any interest in the place.

Cruz was a dual citizen at birth. He formally renounced his Canadian citizenship a few years ago. He never renouced his American citizenship.

42 posted on 08/21/2015 9:52:03 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Rona Badger

Grandson could be president but he would have to give up his British citizenship as it is required for the candidate to have only ONE allegiance to a country.

Cruz was also a Canadian citizen, but he gave up that citizenship so he has only one allegiance to a country.


43 posted on 08/21/2015 9:54:01 AM PDT by Marcella (CRUZ; Prepping can save you life today.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Was his mother underage? (Ted Cruz)

No, Ted’s mom was not underage when he was born. Obama’s mother was underage which the laws on the books at the time when Obama was born indicated that his mother did not automatically pass on her citizenship when she was out of the country. Somehow this part of the significance of where Obama was born never seems to get mentioned by the MSM.


44 posted on 08/21/2015 9:58:36 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: maggief

Ann Coulter says Cruz is ineligible to be president and I go along with this. Saw her on TV saying this.


45 posted on 08/21/2015 10:00:03 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: cynwoody
It seems the statute in question only applied to married women. But BHO, Sr., already had a wife back in Kenya. Therefore, his "marriage" was to Stanley Ann was invalid. So, her age would not have been relevant to her ability to pass on US citizenship.

>Wow, I didn't think there was one spec of Birther trivia that I did not know, but I was wrong. I had never heard this before. You must have wasted more time on this than I did!! Well done, and thanks for helping educate me.

46 posted on 08/21/2015 10:02:03 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: dennisw
Coulter on Video on Cruz
47 posted on 08/21/2015 10:08:35 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: dennisw

“Ann Coulter says Cruz is ineligible to be president and I go along with this. Saw her on TV saying this.”

Then I guess John McCain (born in Panama), Barry Goldwater (born in AZ before it was a U.S. state) and George Romney (born in Mexico to American missionaries) were all ineligible to run. I’ll stick with Cruz’s interpretation on this — he is, after all, a constitutional lawyer.


48 posted on 08/21/2015 10:08:58 AM PDT by lquist1
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To: Jack Black

Knew he had a wife back in Kenya but would a Kenyan marriage be legal in the US?

I have heard a old rhyme about American Indian wedding ceremony that consisted of “ jump up husband jump up squaw, you are married under the law”. Kenya was a British colony at the time. Would it be legal because of that?

Too many “ what ifs” for me to make sense of it.


49 posted on 08/21/2015 10:11:20 AM PDT by Ditter ( God Bless Texas!)
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To: fireman15
I never did buy the "Born in Kenya" theory. I just didn't see any compelling evidence to support it, and in the 1960's I don't think most parents would let a prego 19 year old take 40 hours of airplane fliglhts to a country with modest medical facilities. It just never made much sense.

But, I do believe much about Zero has been concealed, so no one can say for sure, and I don't dismiss those who hold to Kenyan birth as being conspiracy theorists, they just have a different interpretation of the sparse evidence.

50 posted on 08/21/2015 10:13:05 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide.)
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To: Jack Black
"In the event that Cruz achieves the nomination do people think the Left will challenge him on not being a Natural Born Citizen.

The left went after McCain on the NBC thing. Totally ridiculous since McCain parents were both US citizens and on deployment by the US Navy. So if the Rats went after McCain, it is a certainty the Rats will, with great effect, go after Cruz on the NBC thing.

51 posted on 08/21/2015 10:18:15 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Rona Badger

I agree “natural born” is a different and higher standard than just “citizen”. From my research, there are really only two categories of citizens though, the “natural born” and the “naturalized”. I think the reason it was not officially defined in the Constitution is because the founders probably thought (perhaps foolishly) that the difference would be obvious enough not to require a formal definition.

Still, if you are not “naturalized”, then it stands to reason you must be “natural born”, for there is no 3rd category of citizen mentioned anywhere. Any other terms used are just synonymous with one of those two categories.


52 posted on 08/21/2015 10:19:43 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Rona Badger

There are quite a few American women married to Iranian men. So you are telling me that the children of those women are eligible to be president of the USA? Really?


53 posted on 08/21/2015 10:20:55 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Marcella

You are not a US citizen if you have dual citizenship. To be a US citizen means you own allegiance to the US and only the US. For most of our history that was the law, and I hope once again to be the law. The Marxist left changed that and our migration laws back in LBJ days. We need to change those laws back to pre LBJ days.


54 posted on 08/21/2015 10:28:40 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Cowboy Bob

No...she was already a college graduate when Ted was born.


55 posted on 08/21/2015 10:37:20 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lquist1

John McCain (born in Panama)......Ineligible as far as I know, Was he born on a military base? No one is sure. Last I read he was born in a hospital off the military base


56 posted on 08/21/2015 10:45:23 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Marcella
Marcella said: "He has dual citizenship, American and British."

I can't figure out why people believe that our Founders, who were concerned about the loyalty of the President above and beyond the loyalty of any other official, would find it sufficient if the President had just a single citizen parent rather than both; as if loyalty to that one non-citizen parent does not create a conflict of interest.

European monarchs routinely found themselves married to foreigners for the very purpose of creating alliances which their children would recognize and by which they would be influenced.

57 posted on 08/21/2015 10:48:29 AM PDT by William Tell
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dennisw said: "John McCain (born in Panama)......Ineligible as far as I know, "

Babies born to foreign diplomats stationed in the U.S. do not become U.S. citizens. The words of the Fourteenth Amendment, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" do not apply to those in the U.S. with diplomatic immunity.

Similarly, at least some U.S. military stationed in foreign countries are there under the provisions of treaties with those countries and are not completely "subject to the jurisdiction" of those countries. Also, such people are perhaps completely "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S. government.

Thus it is completely possible that a child born to a U.S. military couple located in a foreign country does not gain the citizenship of that country. To suggest that such a child becomes a "stateless person" because of the location of his two U.S. citizen parents is, I think, a conclusion without merit.

58 posted on 08/21/2015 11:00:32 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: AFreeBird

underage kids born here —

Most kids born here are underage.


59 posted on 08/21/2015 11:03:55 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: Rona Badger

No doubt about me. —

Unless you have White Privilege.


60 posted on 08/21/2015 11:08:10 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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