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Could a President Trump Really Impound All Immigrant Payments to Mexico?
National Review ^ | 08/20/2015 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 08/20/2015 7:16:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Donald Trump’s new immigration plan boldly declares that, “Mexico must pay for the [border] wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages.”

Would that even be possible? A Trump administration could erect a lot of legal, regulatory, and logistical obstacles to transferring money from the U.S. to Mexico. But those moves would enrage the banks and financial institutions that make money off the transfers, and probably spur interest in transfer methods that escape the attention and grasp of law enforcement.

Earlier this year, Mexico’s central bank released data indicating Mexicans abroad sent home $23.6 billion in 2014, almost all of it from the United States. Payments from workers abroad make up just 2 percent of Mexican GDP, but they can play a much bigger role in particular local economies. One study concluded that “the poorest rural areas” of the country derive 19.5 percent of their income from remittances. Whatever their economic impact, the payments are widespread: An estimated 83 percent of Mexicans who enter the country illegally send money home. But so do 73 percent of legal Mexican immigrants — making a blanket restriction on remittances virtually impossible.

Still, the U.S. government can make it extremely difficult to send money to a country. The Treasury Department has enacted a series of regulations designed to restrict terrorism financing that holds intermediary banks responsible if the money they transfer ends up in the hands of terror groups. Somalia has no functioning traditional banks, and in February, U.S. banks largely stopped servicing the accounts used by money-transfer operators in Somalia. Somali-Americans are now complaining that they have no way to send money back to their families.

Trump’s pledge to “impound” remittance payments implies seizure, an act that would face a high legal bar to clear. But the government has successfully seized money in the accounts of criminals who smuggle illegal immigrants across the border.

In the early 2000s, Arizona attorney general Terry Goddard and other state authorities suspected Mexican crime syndicates were moving money through Western Union wire transfers, and sought to seize money in Western Union accounts. The figures were mind-boggling, according to the prosecutors’ testimony: $500 million a year in Western Union payments from Arizona, and $2.5 billion a year in payments for people-smuggling overall.

But Colorado-based Western Union contended a state attorney general didn’t have the authority to review wire transfers from other U.S. states directly to Mexico, arguing that it violated the privacy of their customers and overstepped limits on the state’s search-and-seizure authority. State prosecutors countered that the wire transfers constituted payment for crimes committed inside Arizona.

In 2009, the Arizona Supreme Court agreed that Goddard had exceeded his authority when he sought records of transfers exceeding $500 from 29 other U.S. states to Sonora, the Mexican state directly south of Arizona. But the following year, the company reached a settlement with the state, granting investigators in Arizona, California, Texas, and New Mexico “unprecedented” access to records of electronic payments to Mexico.

Note that Goddard and like-minded prosecutors sought access to accounts being used by cartels and migrant-smugglers, not garden-variety illegal immigrants sending money home to their families. The company and other wire transfer companies would almost certainly balk at prosecutorial fishing expeditions designed to secure broader access to transfer records, setting up another lengthy legal battle.

Of course, where there is a will to move money across the border, there is a way. Tighter legal restrictions would likely spur immigrants to use hawala-like systems that rely on trusted networks of contacts on either side of the border, Bitcoin-style systems that operate outside the traditional financial network, or plain old smuggling of cash.

The simplest option for cracking down remittance payments may be taxation. The state of Oklahoma charges a one percent fee on all personal wire transfers of cash to accounts outside the state. The state treats the fee as withholding from state income tax, so any Oklahoma resident who files taxes eventually gets the money back. Those in the country illegally obviously don’t file state income taxes, so they never get the money back or have it credited against a state tax debt. The “wire transmitter fee” brought in $10.5 million in 2014, and $9.7 million the previous year. Wire-transfer companies in the state don’t like the tax because it increases fees.

To some Americans, Mexican workers’ remittance payments represent a fundamentally unjust financial transfer. While $22 billion to $30 billion is a drop in the bucket for the $17 trillion U.S. economy, it’s a matter of principle for these folks. In their eyes, illegal immigrants from Mexico effectively steal from the United States by entering the country, offering unethical employers a labor force that isn’t covered by wage, workplace safety, and other laws, getting paid under the table, and then sending the money out of the country.

But mitigating this perceived injustice might not require grandiose promises to “impound” the money. A simple tax on wire transfers might offer the path of least resistance.

— Jim Geraghty is the senior political correspondent for National Review.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2016election; aliens; assetforfeiture; election2016; hillaryclinton; hitlery; illegals; immigration; mexico; trump
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To: TexasFreeper2009

America first. Carry as big a stick as will do the job. GBDT.


41 posted on 08/20/2015 7:54:16 AM PDT by GoneSalt (+NooB+"I STAND WITH DONALD TRUMP-HE'S TERRIFIC-HE'S BRASH-HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH"~TED CRUZ~)
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To: SeekAndFind
I think Trump (if elected...) should do what Obama does: issue Executive Order and then hurry up to implement the EO.

As we've seen with Obama, he has a history of issuing EO's and rushing to implement them knowing the courts take anywhere from 2-4 years to stop him (which they've done almost every single time.)

Still, that's two years minimum of mass deportations and taking our country back.

42 posted on 08/20/2015 7:54:34 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Resettozero
Did you forget the subject here is...I-L-L-E-G-A-L-S...?

 

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No, it isn't. It's money being wired out of the country. Trump wants to seize that. Where's the due process? Where's the guilty in a court of law verdict?

This is asset forfeiture.

43 posted on 08/20/2015 7:57:05 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: SeekAndFind

He needs to just tax the remittance money at 20% and pay for the wall with it.


44 posted on 08/20/2015 7:58:34 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not? They already impound the cash of U.S. Citizens if they catch you walking around with more than they think you should have.


45 posted on 08/20/2015 7:59:46 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I have no problem with the government seizing the assets of criminal illegal invaders.

 

Me neither. And I have no problem with the government seizing the assets of some mule driving down the interstate with $75,000 in cash that he can't/won't account for.

 

46 posted on 08/20/2015 8:00:07 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: SeekAndFind

Seems it would be easier to just require a valid SSN to send money out of the country that isn’t bank-to-bank, and then impose hefty fines to the transfer companies if they don’t verify the id of the sender. But like immigration laws themselves, it would have to be enforced to have any effect.


47 posted on 08/20/2015 8:00:21 AM PDT by chrisser (This space for rent.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no problem with Executive Actions/Orders that repeal Obamacare, deport all illegals, and institute a flat tax for starters.

Identifying all registered DemocRATS as criminals would be a good start to the second day.


48 posted on 08/20/2015 8:07:33 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"To some Americans, Mexican workers’ remittance payments represent a fundamentally unjust financial transfer. While $22 billion to $30 billion is a drop in the bucket for the $17 trillion U.S. economy, it’s a matter of principle for these folks. In their eyes, illegal immigrants from Mexico effectively steal from the United States by entering the country, offering unethical employers a labor force that isn’t covered by wage, workplace safety, and other laws, getting paid under the table, and then sending the money out of the country. "

"some Americans"- Of course those Americans don't include National Review. They purged the magazine of border patriots years ago.

49 posted on 08/20/2015 8:12:19 AM PDT by Pelham (Without deportation you have defacto amnesty)
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To: Pelham

Not to a lot of our fellow Freepers too.


50 posted on 08/20/2015 8:13:43 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
This is asset forfeiture.

We're all gonna suffer a little or a lot in the coming days.

And, yes, the subject (target) of all this IS (only) illegals.

I'm not sure why you are so up in arms over this point.
51 posted on 08/20/2015 8:35:21 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
I'm not sure why you are so up in arms over this point.

 

Actually, I'm not. I'm FOR asset forfeiture. But every time I bring up this point, I'm usually shouted down by the many libs here at FR.

52 posted on 08/20/2015 8:37:49 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Whatever their economic impact, the payments are widespread: An estimated 83 percent of Mexicans who enter the country illegally send money home. But so do 73 percent of legal Mexican immigrants — making a blanket restriction on remittances virtually impossible."

ding, ding, ding, WRONG. The government places all kinds of restrictions on foreign remittances for citizens and legal residents alike. Try sending a wire transfer to certain banks in Belize. This is completely doable.

53 posted on 08/20/2015 8:38:03 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Save Western Civilization. Embrace the new Crusades.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
And there we have it. This is asset forfeiture. Pure and Simple. Funny how the libertarians who moan and groan at this practice are apparently fine when Trump proposes it.

I see your point, on the other hand I consider it asset forfeiture of legal American taxpayers when the illegals siphon off our tax dollars and transfer them to southern border countries instead of infusing them back into the American economy. And those American dollars are of the major concern to those foreign governments, not the plight of their citizens.

54 posted on 08/20/2015 8:40:54 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Actually, I'm not. I'm FOR asset forfeiture.

Sorry, you were not clear enough today in these few posts.

Well, I'm all for voluntary asset forfeiture, as in the year of Jubilee, but not forced forfeiture by any USA government ON ITS LEGAL CITIZENRY.

Legal citizens.
55 posted on 08/20/2015 8:42:47 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: SeekAndFind

Just make a 10% fee for any remittance. They can try to get around it at their peril.


56 posted on 08/20/2015 8:42:50 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind
How does this seizure of money DIFFERENTIATE between Mexicans who are here LEGALLY, Mexicans who have become American citizens and Mexicans who are illegal?

Seems to me as simple as the one thing liberals hate the most...........documentation!

57 posted on 08/20/2015 8:42:57 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Can’t call it a “tax”.


58 posted on 08/20/2015 8:45:10 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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To: Mastador1

All President Trump has to do with the illegals who have jobs here, but are NOT AMERICAN CITIZENS (yet) is pay them in script, which they can collect in pesos at the border on their way back home(to Mexico). That would settle the problem in a hurry!@!!!@@@!!!


59 posted on 08/20/2015 8:46:53 AM PDT by cousair
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To: SeekAndFind

Since Mexico has begun charging OTMs a fee for entering Mexico .....


60 posted on 08/20/2015 8:48:27 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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