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Morning Jolt: Do Republicans Even Care What Conservatism Is Anymore?
National Review ^ | August 12, 2015 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 08/12/2015 7:28:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Olog-hai
Yes, but what “both parties”? There’s a reason why many of us refer to a Uniparty.

You're right.
21 posted on 08/12/2015 8:07:49 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

These guys keep trying to damage Trump by pointing out he has been on the liberal side of issues in the past, so we shouldn’t trust him. But how is Trump any different than sending a Republican House, and Senate to Washington, and watching them pass nothing but Democrat legislation? Personally I believe Trump would be a train wreck as a president, but at least he wouldn’t be as patronizing as the train wreck the beltway wants us to support.


22 posted on 08/12/2015 8:10:15 AM PDT by Yogafist
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To: The_Victor
However, given the volume of Trumpeteers even here at FreeRepublic, I would redo the article's title: "Do Republicans Conservatives Even Care What Conservatism Is Anymore?"

Agreed. The guy has backtracked on about every thing he said previously to run.

23 posted on 08/12/2015 8:13:54 AM PDT by Starstruck (I'm usually sarcastic. Deal with it.)
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To: The_Victor

There’s been a whole boatload of Republicans who begged for our vote claiming they were conservatives. Last year’s Congressional races come to mind.

When we gave them the vote and they won, how did their “conservatism” work?

1. Wouldn’t vote to end Obamacare, like they said they would.

2. Wouldn’t stop Amnesty, like they said they would. Lucky for us, the Courts did (for now).

3. APPROVED Obama’s secret trade deal.

4. GAVE UP their Constitutional duties in the Senate to approve treaties. Now they can only vote them down—IF they have 60 votes for cloture.

5. Pulled the rug out from many true conservatives for opposing the above—took their seats from their committees to show them and us they have the whip hand—”Thank you for last year’s vote, suckers!”

Maybe people are looking at Trump and saying, well, he’s never been a conservative, but now says he is. AND the liars that just stabbed us in the back hate him, so...

How can voting for Trump be worse than the Betrayal of 2014?


24 posted on 08/12/2015 8:24:07 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (As we say in the Air Force, "You know you're over the target when you start getting flak!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perhaps Donald Trump will be remembered as another Cain or Gingrich.

I doubt it. The moment he came under fire, Cain folded like the French army at the Battle of Sedan. Trump, on the other hand, is a brawler who almost seems to relish a fight. And I doubt that Trump would do something foolish like take a long cruise to the Greek islands when he ought to be out campaigning, as Gingrich did.

25 posted on 08/12/2015 8:26:55 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: henkster

At this point most people care about getting the economy back and keeping the illegals out. They want to make America great again not make it Mexico again.


26 posted on 08/12/2015 8:31:21 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
...Maybe people are looking at Trump and saying, well, he’s never been a conservative, but now says he is. AND the liars that just stabbed us in the back hate him, so... How can voting for Trump be worse than the Betrayal of 2014?

That might carry weight but for the fact that there are people who have stepped up and are actively running for the Republican presidential nomination who have records of conservative accomplishment, who want to shrink the federal government (and have spoken to the things Trump is claiming as his own). You'd cut them off at the knees to send a message to Congress?

27 posted on 08/12/2015 8:34:23 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

My opinion is that only a delusional person believes the two are the same. The Conservative “party” is a reaction to the liberal leanings of both the Democratic and Republican Party. Democratic and Republican parties are dying slow, painful deaths. I predict an eventual and total parting of the way within each party. The evolution of politics will result in only the purest form of Liberalism and the purest form of Conservatism. You can see a similar model in what has happened in Christianity when examining the past 3 or 4 decades.


28 posted on 08/12/2015 8:34:49 AM PDT by scottiemom (As a retired Texas public school teacher, I highly recommend private school)
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To: mmichaels1970

Are we absolutely certain that Elizabeth Warren isn’t going to crawl out and jump in at some point?


29 posted on 08/12/2015 8:38:07 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Georgia Girl 2
At this point most people care about getting the economy back and keeping the illegals out. They want to make America great again not make it Mexico again.

I don't know if you think Trump is the person to do this but if you do, I respectfully suggest that by handing a showman, one who improvises on the fly, one who can't maintain his policy positions from morning 'till night, your support and vote, you will have someone who will do nothing but embolden our enemies, create bedlam in the nation, and in the end, tell us we weren't worthy of him and leave us with nothing left to build on.

30 posted on 08/12/2015 8:52:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Apparently Republicans want a candidate who admits to paying off politicians for favors. Who loves Kelo and taking peoples property. They want a candidate who loves bailouts. They want a candidate who voted for Hillary for Senate and said Obama saved the economy. They want a candidate married to a porn star as a role model for little girls everywhere. They want a candidate who lashes out like a 12-year petulant child against any perceived slight.


31 posted on 08/12/2015 8:53:32 AM PDT by GeronL (Cruz is for real, 100%)
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To: Don Corleone
If the GOP put as much effort into battling the Obama Gang as they do attacking real conservatives, the party might not have this problem. But the old standard of trying to make amends as the next election approaches is not working anymore because we've heard this tune before. Bush and company are phonies, and we know it. Trump isn't my first choice, to be sure, but I do take pleasure in seeing him push Jebba and the other, tiny GOPe types off the stage. Maybe Trump can clear the road for Cruz.
32 posted on 08/12/2015 8:59:28 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think this article misses an important point.

Some conservatives believe if the issue of illegal immigration isn’t dealt with properly with this election that conservatives are done forever here.

Because the legalized illegals will be enough to throw every election against them going forward.


33 posted on 08/12/2015 9:23:02 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Alas Babylon!

I certainly cannot argue with your logic. But I think at this point in the process, we still have several other good options, as pointed out in the article, who are dedicated conservatives.


34 posted on 08/12/2015 9:32:39 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: mmichaels1970

The Republican Party brought this reckoning on itself because it is not offering a viable alternative to the progressive left. When you offer no choice you get lack of participation and eventually open hostility for the endless lies the GOP repeats ad-nauseam each election cycle, people are not going to vote to cut their own throats, although listening to some of the Freeper GOP groupies often makes one wonder.

The Republicans think they can out liberal an out of the closet liberal on the cheap, it ain’t gonna happen, they are deluded.


35 posted on 08/12/2015 9:32:48 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Did they ever, outside of Reagan?


36 posted on 08/12/2015 9:33:12 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Do our Representatives actually represent us?

Do the bulk of our leaders actually understand they work for us?

Do the bulk of them understand and apply the USC?

Do ALL of our leaders they believe in the 3 branches of Government and Check and Balances?

SOmeone is talking about making America great,again. Do they ACTUALLY blieve America can be great? Do they ACTUALLY love America or our they mostly self serving politicians who would sell us out the highest bidder?


37 posted on 08/12/2015 9:39:30 AM PDT by Leep (Still living in what remains of 'God's Country'.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Social conservatism is taking a back seat this cycle due to the dire situation the country is in.


38 posted on 08/12/2015 9:43:47 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Do Republicans Even Care What Conservatism Is Anymore?”

The rank and file does, but no, the Party itself does not. The Party cares only about getting themselves re-elected and keeping the good time perks rolling for them personally.

The hostility between the GOPe and the GOP peasants is now open warfare that will be reaching a crescendo this election. Whether Trump or ¡Yeb! is at the helm, the destruction of the GOPe in 2016 will be a sight to behold!


39 posted on 08/12/2015 9:54:55 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

As a woman, some of the things trump has said offends me.


40 posted on 08/12/2015 10:01:27 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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