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To: Longbow1969
I blame his Trumpster supporters who are willing to rally around an anti-intellectual populist who is not even a conservative all because they are "raging at the system".

I don't get all of this rage at the average American. I don't blame the average American for Obama, I blame the progressive cabal in government and media that has blinded my countrymen. This is the same cabal which ordinary Americans are now bucking in their support of Trump. If anyone is to blame for the present state of things, it's the progressives in both parties and the media that supports them. Save your rage for them and enjoy the fact that average Americans are turning on them.

28 posted on 08/11/2015 8:39:10 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke
I don't blame the average American for Obama,

I most certainly do. People are responsible for the government they have. Period. We get in trouble when we start differentiating a government from the people it represents. This is even true in North Korea. We struggle to declare wars now because of this error in thinking. The Afghan people ARE responsible for their government, same in Iran, same elsewhere.

This is like people who rage at bankers and won't put blame on the individuals, companies and nations that use the credit they extend. In this example bankers may be enablers, but they are not the core problem.

This Trump thing is nothing new, we saw it recently with Perot and we've seen it all through history - and it never ends well. This is supposed to be a conservative site with learned conservatives. I expect people who understand these issues to, at minimum, not blindly throw their support to someone who has no history of conservatism, clearly doesn't understand the issues, can get bamboozled by any network into saying he'd fund parts of PP (which we already do) because he doesn't know anything about the issue, etc.

The Trump thing is just not going to end well. It's really not. And "raging against the establishment" is not an excuse for conservatives to back a populist anti-intellectual.

81 posted on 08/11/2015 9:11:09 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: pgyanke

Yeah but for someone like me, all I am saying is people should be careful. Obama, while a politician, ran as a populist who would change things. People bought in to the rhetoric. Both Trump and Obama are narcissistic. Both have either an aversion to or ignorance of constitutional and governing principles. Trump perhaps can play some beneficial role in changing things if he is sincere. I just am in no way convinced that role is potus.


97 posted on 08/11/2015 9:43:12 AM PDT by American Faith Today
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