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Pro-legal immigration discussion vanity thread
6 Aug 2015 | impimp

Posted on 08/06/2015 12:47:59 PM PDT by impimp

We need the following: 1. H1-Bs granted based on salary instead of lottery 2. No chain migration 3. No amnesty 4. More H1-Bs 5. More investor visas 6. No "Dreamers"

We want the best and brightest from around the world to come here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; corporatewelfare; h1b; immigration
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To: Will88; kabar
Do you know how working Americans can be replaced by H1-Bs, how the law allows that to happen?

H-1B Is Designed to Allow Employers to Replace Americans with Cheap Foreign Workers
H-1B Is Designed to Allow Employers to Pay Foreign Workers Extremely Low Wages

41 posted on 08/06/2015 4:59:58 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Thanks for the links. That's fairly amazing, especially when the public discussion of that program always involves something like: you can only hire an H1-B if no qualified Americans can be found.

That's strictly a program for corporations who have bought and paid for a sufficient number of reps. and senators. If the low lifes had the best interest of US citizens any where near the top of their list of priorities, that program would be ended tomorrow.

There are probably some members of Congress who don't even know about those features of the program.

42 posted on 08/06/2015 5:11:19 PM PDT by Will88
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To: ConservingFreedom

The ignorance about the real features of the H1-B program must be really widespread, probably due to government lies. But when the Con Ed and Disney stories broke about US workers being replaced and being required to train their replacements, most talk shows covered it and all were shocked that it could happen.

That’s pretty unreal since such things have been happening for about twenty years. This has really been kept under the radar it seems.


43 posted on 08/06/2015 5:19:40 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

H-1B is an ancient evil


44 posted on 08/06/2015 5:31:36 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
H-1B is an ancient evil

Sure seems like it. Looks like they've been successful at keeping these facts under the radar for years, because it sure got a reaction when the Con Ed and Disney stories broke.

If anyone really starts digging into our various trade agreements and how things are actually done, they'd find equal and greater outrages. Trump needs to do that and add some detail to his condemnation of bad trade deals.

45 posted on 08/06/2015 5:41:31 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88
There are probably some members of Congress who don't even know about those features of the program.

They have to pass bills to find out what's in them.

46 posted on 08/06/2015 5:49:00 PM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A government strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: Will88
I used to work at a famous large corporation as a network specialist. The job required a BSEE. Well, the whole network department was replaced by H-1B visa holders. This was in 1997.

To get severance I has to "train" my English as a second language replacement. This travesty has been around a while.

47 posted on 08/06/2015 5:49:47 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mr. Peabody

In short, it is a case of imports hurting domestic production, only with people instead of products.


48 posted on 08/06/2015 6:04:13 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: impimp
"You criticize those who com here for American money. Perhaps you need to understand that one someone earns money in a capitalist system it usually provides their employer, and the USA, with even greater benefits. If it didn’t the person would lose their job. One wouldn’t want to sound like a socialist."

We don't need to have their corrupt cultures further inflicted on us against early American culture and the law of our land (our Constitution). We've already seen too much of it. Give us people of our own culture regardless of their physical means.

We'll take those of Canada, the U.K., New Zealand, Australia and of other places who already share our culture and those by marriage who are willing to learn and become Americans. We don't need foreign big shots who bring their pride (vanity) in their foreign cultures with intentions to change ours to fit their corrupt foreign regimes.


49 posted on 08/06/2015 6:12:46 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: impimp

We don’t need foreign slaves or rich foreign tyrants.


50 posted on 08/06/2015 6:13:51 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

If you think Canadians, Australians, etc. fit American values then I disagree with you. I think wealthy immigrants, regardless of nationality, are more likely to share an American respect for private property. And I don’t need to hear about the Saudi exceptions. We can cut back on immigration from any country which had citizens that perpetuated a terrorist act against us.


51 posted on 08/06/2015 6:29:25 PM PDT by impimp
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To: amihow
Really.
52 posted on 08/07/2015 4:27:18 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: impimp; familyop

re “You criticize those who com here for American money. Perhaps you need to understand that one someone earns money in a capitalist system it usually provides their employer, and the USA, with even greater benefits. If it didn’t the person would lose their job. One wouldn’t want to sound like a socialist.”

im pimp,

You are assuming that the labor market in the US is a free market, not one that is highly manipulated to provide political donors with cheap, compliant labor. If the US had a free labor market, salaries would be rising, not flat or dropping, in those areas where there is a supposed shortage. Supply and demand applies to wages.


53 posted on 08/07/2015 11:30:26 AM PDT by khelus
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To: impimp

We need to make English the official language of the United States. We need to have a moratorium on immigration and student visas (for all purposes, not just STEM). We need to remove all H1-B visa programs and participants. We need aggressive enforcement of laws concerning hiring illegal aliens. We need to secure our borders. We need to state clearly that anyone here illegally will never be legal citizen. We need to make it a crime to come to/stay in this country illegally. (in other words deportation after a year in the federal pen, with the clear threat of 10 more years if they are ever caught again) We need to lower the US corporate tax rate to remove the incentive to move operations overseas, and add some sort of penalty to those that do offshore. (We really need to end the concept of corporate person hood and end corporate taxation to clean up the election system and lobbying, but that is another discussion). We need all licenses to have citizenship status, and we need federally mandated voter ID requirements. These changes are relatively simple, have wide spread popular support, would go a long way to fixing our economy, and would solve the illegal immigration problem.


54 posted on 08/07/2015 10:36:10 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

What program do you propose to have to allow companies to bring in high end employees? I am thinking of pro athletes, executives, traders, etc.

Also, how do you propose to allow the investor class into the USA? I am thinking of multimillionaires.


55 posted on 08/08/2015 5:01:05 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp
What program do you propose to have to allow companies to bring in high end employees? I am thinking of pro athletes, executives, traders, etc.
None. High end employees exist here in the US.

Also, how do you propose to allow the investor class into the USA? I am thinking of multimillionaires.
I don't. I would prefer the US to focus on creating an environment that fosters Americans becoming multimillionaires rather than importing them.

56 posted on 08/08/2015 7:50:20 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

Great response.


57 posted on 08/08/2015 8:03:44 AM PDT by khelus
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To: Durus

Ok - then have fun when all of the multinational companies move their main offices offshore so that they can bring in the people they want. And have fun explaining to sports fans that no foreigners are allowed.

There are two kinds of Americans:
1. Those who want America to be strong
2. Those who are too scared to have a strong America because they don’t want to be small fish (ie unemployed) in a big pond

Which kind of American are you?


58 posted on 08/08/2015 11:29:45 AM PDT by impimp
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To: khelus

Read my reply - it shows that the response wasn’t thought through like you thought it was.


59 posted on 08/08/2015 11:31:53 AM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp
...have fun when all of the multinational companies move their main offices offshore so that they can bring in the people they want.
Multinational corporations do not have the best interests of the USA at heart, why should I care about them? I'm only interested in US companies.

And have fun explaining to sports fans that no foreigners are allowed.

If people are willing to subvert national interests for entertainment then trying to explain anything to them is likely to be fruitless.

There are two kinds of Americans: 1. Those who want America to be strong 2. Those who are too scared to have a strong America because they don’t want to be small fish (ie unemployed) in a big pond Which kind of American are you?

This is an overly simplistic and antagonistic framing of the argument that posits your hypothesis as fact. Importing cheap labor to offset the native workforce has not objectively helped America to be strong, quite the opposite in fact. Further, there is a vast difference between wanting to allow an "Einstein" to emigrate here, and wanting cheap labor that only serves corporate interests. Especially when those interests obviously are at odd with a strong and secure nation.

60 posted on 08/08/2015 11:52:49 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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