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The Teen Who Exposed a Professor’s Myth [About Anti-Irish Discrimination]
The Daily Beast ^ | 8/1/2015 | Ben Collins

Posted on 08/04/2015 6:21:28 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski

The Internet has been buzzing about how discrimination against the Irish was a myth. All it took was a high schooler to prove them wrong. Rebecca Fried had no intention of preserving the record of a persecuted people whose strife was ready to be permanently written off in the eyes of history as exaggerated, imagined, or even invented.

That's because Rebecca was too busy trying to get through the 8th grade. In 2002, University of Illinois-Chicago history professor Richard J. Jensen printed “No Irish Need Apply: A Myth of Victimization.” His abstract begins: “Irish Catholics in America have a vibrant memory of humiliating job discrimination, which featured omnipresent signs proclaiming ‘Help Wanted—No Irish Need Apply!’ No one has ever seen one of these NINA signs because they were extremely rare or nonexistent.”

In short, those famous “No Irish Need Apply” signs—ones that proved Irish Americans faced explicit job discrimination in the 19th and 20th centuries? Professor Jensen came to the blockbuster conclusion that they never existed...

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; discrimination; ireland; irish; nina
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To: 11th_VA

That is the very ad proffered in Jensen’s article:

‘18. See the ad in The New York Times of March 25, 1854 shown below—this is the only NINA ad for men anyone has ever found; also see Sept. 21, 1859. The Times of Jan 9, 1854, had an ad for servants from a “Protestant Employment Society.” A houseworker ad on February 10, 1858 specified, “Only Scotch need apply.” For comparison, the search engine turned up 25 instances of the phrase “respectable young girl” in 1861 alone, plus 34 entreaties for a “first rate cook” that year. It turned up a solitary ad that specified “only Americans need apply”—for a governess position in Kentucky. New York Times July 18, 1855. The New York Irish-American (May 28, 1853) vowed that “we shall kill this anti-Irish-servant-maid crusade.” It claimed to have hired a lawyer to sue the advertisers and the papers involved. On May 16, 1857, it proudly noted that there had not been a “no Irish need apply” ad in a while. On maids see David M. Katzman, Seven Days a Week: Women and Domestic Service in Industrializing America (1978).


41 posted on 08/04/2015 8:06:11 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: River Hawk
Do you have any idea what kind of work people hired the Irish immigrant to do? I bet not. Jobs that don't exist today, just to give you a clue. And maybe while you're at it you can take a swing at where the term "shanty Irish" came from. Hint: it wasn't from Ireland.
42 posted on 08/04/2015 8:09:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Interesting that apparently this girl Rebecca is a fellow student of the Obama daughters.


43 posted on 08/04/2015 8:11:15 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: abclily

They were called “Thick Micks”.

No lawsuits,no calling the ACLU,no whining.

The Irish just went ahead and proved everyone wrong.

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44 posted on 08/04/2015 8:16:20 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The Irish were treated poorly because they came from Germany and everybody hates the Germans.


45 posted on 08/04/2015 8:17:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: kearnyirish2

Well, it might have been done. But something to remember is that whites had no immunity to the disease. Washington had his army immunized because the “smallpox” had spread widely in the Continental Army. Disease did moret to end the Quebec expedition than the Redcoats did.

As for white diseases and indians, Desoto’s expedition destroyed whole indians communities, some even before making direct contact. Further Soto had brought a lot of pigs with him and they spread the disease into the local wildlife when they themselves went while. The razorback in Arkansas probably came from De Soto.


46 posted on 08/04/2015 8:17:28 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: TurboZamboni

Joe Yule Jr.


47 posted on 08/04/2015 8:18:13 PM PDT by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: hinckley buzzard

BTW, can’t get access to the Sidwell girl’s article.

I’m not going to subscribe just for that. No thanks.

So if I cannot examine the article, I cannot go on “Google search” as great research, nor the word of those praising it all over the ‘net. I’m sure some things turned up, but the research really has to be seen to be understood.


48 posted on 08/04/2015 8:19:00 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Please compare German history in America to Irish.

Seriously.

No one complains about bad treatment (even though they did get it in WWI), and no celebratory movies galore (as a juxtaposition) through Hollywood history. Much less a holiday for them (which is not a bloviating nationalistic holiday in Ireland).


49 posted on 08/04/2015 8:21:52 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Actually the University of Illinois in Urbana is considered a good research university. Some of the departments are about the best in the country.


50 posted on 08/04/2015 8:25:07 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Outstanding post, outstanding article.

I think even Rose Kennedy could take issue with the anti-Irish, anti-Catholic professor and history reviser.


51 posted on 08/04/2015 8:29:42 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Go to Google images and search No Irish Need Apply.


52 posted on 08/04/2015 8:42:14 PM PDT by joemsewi
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Some years back, a Chicago Judge had a collection of anti Irish signs;yes he was Irish.

Occasionally the papers would have a photo of the Judge, the signs would be in the background.


53 posted on 08/04/2015 8:42:42 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: Labyrinthos
Black Irish stand for black hair, not black skin. Although there are some few who are African black, the vast majority have jet black hair and porcelain skin, a striking contrast in features, often combined with blue or green eyes.

And if you go to an Irish pub and ask around, you'll find that a number of such people are superheroes.


54 posted on 08/04/2015 9:13:32 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Don’t really think smallpox could live very long on blankets...........


55 posted on 08/04/2015 9:35:30 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George OrwellSTOP IT)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I hope everyone realises that denying Irish discrimination like this is all about re-writing history to reflect the leftist myth that only non-whites like the Chinese faced discrimination in horrible racist America.

It’s about reinforcing white guilt and the concept of White privilege.


56 posted on 08/04/2015 9:37:16 PM PDT by Helvan
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Sigh, it’s too bad this thread can’t be the scene of an honest, informed discussion on an historical issue. Once again, if anybody’s interested, the original article by Jensen is here
http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/no-irish.htm
and it’s actually very scholarly and documented. Why not look at that article first before you criticize it, it’s not “anti-Irish” or “anti-Catholic” or “PC revisionism”.
Then, if you disagree with a conclusion of the article, put your documented objections together and send them to Dr. Jensen. That’s the way open discussion is supposed to work in a free society. After all, this is “Free Republic”, right? Good night everybody.


57 posted on 08/04/2015 9:57:23 PM PDT by River Hawk
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To: Jan_Sobieski

The reason why the false narrative was so embraced by the media and other academics is because it conforms to the narrative that America is “racist”. That white immigrants were treated better than the current Hispanic ones.


58 posted on 08/04/2015 10:09:24 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: RobbyS

I believe there was one documented case where it was done, and that was woven into a widespread scheme by those in the victimhood industry. As far as any real historian is concerned, it happened once.


59 posted on 08/05/2015 2:59:38 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: originalbuckeye

See # 59.


60 posted on 08/05/2015 3:01:58 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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