Rules are rules. If following them means you die and violating them means you live, the rule makers prefer you die.
Can this Administration piss off any more people?
I think not.
Anybody that does not have a free phone or on the public teat is pretty mad.
Stunningly stupid.
The right of self defense is a natural right.
Man made rules don’t apply when you are under attack.
Sheesh.
The admirals and generals don’t want smart or brave Officers.
They want obedient Officers.
“Maybe you shoulda made ‘em smarter instead of faster.” - Gary Busey in the movie SOLDIER.
"Here’s what needs to happen. Flood the phone of SecNav Ray Mabus and SecDef Carter and ask them whose side they’re. Demand the charges being brought against Lt.Cmdr White be immediately dropped. If those charges are not dropped, I will personally lead the charge to have Carter and Mabus removed from their positions."
Sorry. I can’t comment.
This pisses me off too much and I’d only get banned from posting if I stated what I think.
Amazing. Hopefully there will be someone in the chain of command who will realize that the officers did the right thing.
I hope this is true! While I feel bad for the soldier, this could be a watershed moment to bring this issue into the public’s eye.
Though I hold little hope for American, maybe we can create a bandwagon for them to climb on—seems that’s all people can do these days. Maybe we should paint everyone’s FB profile green to show support.
Imam øbama say no.
There was a time when the issue would have been brought to a courts martial, so that a finding of not guilty was explicitly charged, thereby eliminating the officer from being exposed to liability. (Double Jeopardy)
I’m not as confident this Administration wouldn’t use the case to persecute the innocent, while praising the guilty.
Now if an abortion doctor whipped out a .45 to shoot a fetus to keep it from being born...that would be ok.
Mods, can we move this to BREAKING NEWS?
This is why I left the Marine Corps; that patrolling in Beirut with unloaded weapons was nuts.
I get to meet Allen West here in a few weeks...: )
Couple of comments here:
As a former Air Force prosecutor, Area Defense Counsel and Circuit Defense Counsel, I see this going one of a couple ways:
1. The Navy cedes jurisdiction to the DOJ and they prosecute him in federal district court. Not likely, as DOD and DOJ don’t work and play that well together in the criminal area.
2. The Navy cedes jurisdiction to the Chattanooga district attorney - again, not likely, because there were no “victims” of his carrying the weapon, and we don’t know whether he had a CHL so that he was in fact LAWFULLY carrying. Oh, and if it’s a “federal facility”, the DA has no jurisdiction. Navy can’t have its cake and eat it too.
3. If he’s prosecuted under Art. 92, disobeying a lawful general regulation, there’s a distinct possibility of a conviction.
4. If they go with Art 134, service-discrediting conduct or good order and discipline, it’s a lot tougher sell. If this hadn’t happened, nobody would ever know he had a weapon, and who the hell did he discredit? And his actions ENHANCE good order and discipline.
5. Courts martial are a bifurcated system: first guilt or innocence, then (if guilty finding) sentencing. The mitigation in sentencing in this case is a defense counsel’s dream: first, the “good soldier” defense - not knowing anything but what I’ve read, he’s a family man, was selected as the “best of the best” to be a recruiter. Next, he saved untold lives by his conduct and by being ready for the fight. Frankly, even if he’s found guilty, I see this as a very likely sentence of “no punishment”.
6. There are probably people just like me lining up to defend this guy at his CM for free.
Many think there’s no justice under the UCMJ - that’s just not so. What impedes justice is Whisky Delta SJAs who won’t tell the commander when a dog case is a dog case.
Colonel, USAFR
Good that someone returned fire on the lunatic, but I’m puzzled. Reports of the attack for days said the shooter rode by the recruiting office, stuck a rifle out the window and sprayed the plate glass door. That the ones killed were hit by bullets that came through the glass door. If that’s the case how did anyone return fire? Did he go through the front door, risking his life to return fire? None of this came out for weeks after the assault. I wonder why? Why did the media try to cover up what really happened?
Gee if the Muslim terrorist had survived the attack would he have had the book thrown at him because he had a gun in a “gun free zone”? This whole gun free zone is a joke if you believe that terrorists and armed crazies are going to abide by the sign.
Makes me wonder about the officers in today’s military...