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I submit, based on my experience, not true and still sexist. ; )

Ah, but that only exposes good character on your part and does not disprove the meme. :)

I agree, someone might be beautiful and still not attractive / desirable.

Sometimes all the gorgeous person has to do is open their mouth and their attractiveness flies out the door with the metastupidity they espouse...

I also submit that, despite the “attraction” of a girl or woman to an “outlaw” or “misunderstood bad guy” whom she believes ONLY SHE can save FROM HIMSELF! . . . that the mature woman understands that to be as it actually is: a “fatal attraction.” The mature “pretty girl” avoids such men like the plague. It is a fantasy of those who want to prey on insecure, young pretty girls. Only the insecure girls go for the “bad guy” — looking for love in all the wrong places.

Well, you bring two interesting points up in that (thread drift, anyone?) but your points are noted. Codependency and its enmeshment are not the same as predation and insecurity, but they absolutely do feed off each other. It's a very bad lifestyle if those are your iconic archetypes.

But for a Friday night - or even an extended weekend - sometimes the surface is what people are looking for. However, what I take to be as the root of the attractiveness of the biker mystique has to do with a couple of things: one, it's definitely a loner type of experience (being on the motorcycle is an individualist pursuit) and that brings mystery... and the rugged nature of it is unquestionably masculine, which draws attention.

Girls and young women with wonderful fathers, cannot subject themselves to such depredation. The “pretty girls” who do, are insecure, unsure of love, and taken advantage of. Shame on the men who take advantage of them. IMHO! MEN, real men, bikers or not bikers, do not take advantage of girls or women, pretty or otherwise. My father taught me that! ; )

As I said, character shows. I agree with your comments. You are talking about mental and emotional health, which can be a challenge for some more than others. But remember, too, that when a dog pisses on a fire hydrant he's not committing vandalism - he's just being a dog.

“and the rugged nature of it is unquestionably masculine, which draws attention”

BTW I agree this is “off thread”! Well, it isn’t the first time and won’t be the last . . . If we should take it off-line, I am willing . . .

Respectfully, I disagree with your premise, above, of the “unquestionably masculine, which draws attention.” The “truly masculine” (in the mind of a healthy girl or woman) is the mutual provider, the defender of women and children. The “truly masculine” seeks not to subdue his female partner, but to appreciate her and advance HER powers to the mutual benefit of both him and the family. The true male knows that he succeeds only with a female partner, mate, wife, who is his equal OR BETTER! The secure, wise, truly masculine man, can accept and appreciate and indeed SEEK a woman who is his superior in . . . intelligence? commitment? .. . if not physical strength.

This I know, for I have a father and husband in that character. I have great empathy for women who believe they have to settle for less.

“But remember, too, that when a dog pisses on a fire hydrant he’s not committing vandalism - he’s just being a dog. “

And when a Bandido bashes your head in for wearing a Texas rocker, remember that he is not being mean, he’s just being a Bandido.

“being on the motorcycle is an individualist pursuit”

LOL! Individual? Get real.

When a person joins a motorcycle gang he loses ALL personal identity.

He is told what to wear, what to ride, when to ride and where to ride and what position to ride in.

Everything is for the club.

“However, what I take to be as the root of the attractiveness of the biker mystique has to do with a couple of things:”

Charles Manson come to my mind.