[AMDG&BVMH]

“Pretty girls are (generally) drawn to status, power, and money.”

I submit, based on my experience, not true and still sexist. ; )

I agree, someone might be beautiful and still not attractive / desirable.

I also submit that, despite the “attraction” of a girl or woman to an “outlaw” or “misunderstood bad guy” whom she believes ONLY SHE can save FROM HIMSELF! . . . that the mature woman understands that to be as it actually is: a “fatal attraction.” The mature “pretty girl” avoids such men like the plague. It is a fantasy of those who want to prey on insecure, young pretty girls. Only the insecure girls go for the “bad guy” — looking for love in all the wrong places.

Girls and young women with wonderful fathers, cannot subject themselves to such depredation. The “pretty girls” who do, are insecure, unsure of love, and taken advantage of. Shame on the men who take advantage of them. IMHO! MEN, real men, bikers or not bikers, do not take advantage of girls or women, pretty or otherwise. My father taught me that! ; )

[Robert Teesdale]

I submit, based on my experience, not true and still sexist. ; )

Ah, but that only exposes good character on your part and does not disprove the meme. :)

I agree, someone might be beautiful and still not attractive / desirable.

Sometimes all the gorgeous person has to do is open their mouth and their attractiveness flies out the door with the metastupidity they espouse...

I also submit that, despite the “attraction” of a girl or woman to an “outlaw” or “misunderstood bad guy” whom she believes ONLY SHE can save FROM HIMSELF! . . . that the mature woman understands that to be as it actually is: a “fatal attraction.” The mature “pretty girl” avoids such men like the plague. It is a fantasy of those who want to prey on insecure, young pretty girls. Only the insecure girls go for the “bad guy” — looking for love in all the wrong places.

Well, you bring two interesting points up in that (thread drift, anyone?) but your points are noted. Codependency and its enmeshment are not the same as predation and insecurity, but they absolutely do feed off each other. It's a very bad lifestyle if those are your iconic archetypes.

But for a Friday night - or even an extended weekend - sometimes the surface is what people are looking for. However, what I take to be as the root of the attractiveness of the biker mystique has to do with a couple of things: one, it's definitely a loner type of experience (being on the motorcycle is an individualist pursuit) and that brings mystery... and the rugged nature of it is unquestionably masculine, which draws attention.

Girls and young women with wonderful fathers, cannot subject themselves to such depredation. The “pretty girls” who do, are insecure, unsure of love, and taken advantage of. Shame on the men who take advantage of them. IMHO! MEN, real men, bikers or not bikers, do not take advantage of girls or women, pretty or otherwise. My father taught me that! ; )

As I said, character shows. I agree with your comments. You are talking about mental and emotional health, which can be a challenge for some more than others. But remember, too, that when a dog pisses on a fire hydrant he's not committing vandalism - he's just being a dog.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

The mature “pretty girl” avoids such men like the plague.

Some girls are attracted to serial killers like Ramirez or Manson. The child-killer and vampire Peter Kurten got many marriage proposals and hundreds of letters from adoring fans. Same goes for the attraction to gang members. The male nutriders are just male versions of those girls. Of course these people are not normal and they should see a psychiatrist.