Posted on 07/16/2015 4:40:06 PM PDT by Krosan
So true. They also probably have been paid with the jewelry, cell phones and cash Putin's apes tore from corpses at the crash site.
“Completely impossible, since the Frogfoot lacks the speed and altitude to overtake a 777. “
The BUK missile carrier flies at an altitude of 0 and doesn’t move at all when set up.
Does that mean it is totally impossible for a BUK to take down a 777 since the carrier itself lacks the speed and altitude to overtake one?
Or do I detect a huge logical flaw in what you are saying and it is actually only the missile that needs to overtake the plane and reach its altitude, not the missile carrier?
It is totally impossible for SU-25 to take down 777 at 33,000 feet. There is absolutely no question about it for any expert. It was talked about extensively in past threads. Silly for you to start with that old crap again.
If you have been out of the loop then the new propaganda guidelines for Russian trolls is victim blaming and playing on bad reputation of the Malaysian Airlines (even though about 900 commercial flights crossed this area during the 7 days before Russians shot that plane down).
Remember when the Russian internet army rushed to Wikipedia to change the service ceiling of the SU-25, when it became apparent that a SU-25 cannot fly at the altitude necessary to shoot down this airliner? I still chuckle thinking about it . . . although it is deadly serious, and some FReepers were duped.
Strange indeed, when that is what they claimed themselves. Well, not so strange . . . unless you religiously read Russia Today.
Sad. The rebels are Ukrainian who consider themselves Russian. Their enemy are Ukranian who do not.
Malaysia air decides to fly over a war zone.....and of course this airline has a poor track record of late.
All very sad for the occupants and family of those occupants of the plane
I don’t think the SU-25 theory is any good, but if it is impossible it obviously isn’t for the reasons edpc says when the missile has a range of 10km...
Edpc brought up the su-25 theory, not me.
But that didn’t stop you from getting another smear in like you did with varyouga. I guess wild accusation and insult is your specialty. I tend to give freeper the benefit of the doubt and lose track which ones stoop to this level.
It is not a civil war. While there are local thugs and lowlifes among what is called “rebels” then they are not a great force in itself. It is Russian mercenaries, Russian regular troops and special forces who are the real force there.
Yanukovich stole $70B from Ukraine before he fled to Russia. I am quite sure this money is now paying for this war.
Yeah
Meanwhile Iran will be making nuclear weapons and America is currently under a Marxist/Islamicists regime...
Good luck garnering interest with Americans on your issue. We have our own civil war getting ready to brew right here at home.
“when it became apparent that a SU-25 cannot fly at the altitude necessary to shoot down this airliner?”
What is the service ceiling of the BUK missile system?
I think it is 0.
Is it impossible for the BUK system to shoot down an airliner since it cannot reach its altitude?
Does a plane that shoots down an airliner need to reach its altitude, or only the missile it fires?
I mean the buk system itself is confined to ground level, not the missiles it fires. I’m making a point that the missile carrier does not need to reach the target it hits, only the missile it fires does.
What are you driving at? The Russian mercenaries were supplied with a BUK from Russia, and it is believed a BUK shot down the airliner.
And, of course, all the other airlines that were flying over the same airspace. It’s not as if Malaysia Airlines decided to “go it alone.”
Might have been smart for the rest of the world to follow our faa
Hindsight being 20-20, of course.
I’m not driving at anything. I’m testing the logic of your claim that an SU-25 can’t shoot down an airliner because the plane itself can’t reach its altitude. Yet its missile can.
Likewise a BUK system is stuck at ground level, and can’t reach the altitude of an airliner, but it’s missile can.
Applying the same logic to the BUK would mean it’s impossible for a BUK to shoot down a passenger plane...
FAA warned about Crimea and the surrounding seas, but not about the place where Russians shot down this plane. From your link:
“United States (U.S.) flight operations are prohibited until further notice in the airspace over Crimea, the Black Sea, and the Sea of Azov”
“The FAA said Thursday afternoon that the Malaysia Air flight that crashed was not operating in the specific airspace that was included in its April 3 warning.”
In other words, you never bothered to examine the claim made by the Russian propaganda machine that a Su-25 can shoot down an airliner at 35,000 feet (or whatever it was), when it was roundly discredited by aviation experts.
Oh, dear. That’s what I get for not clicking on the link provided. Thanks.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.