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Why Pope Francis Is Keeping His Hammer-and-Sickle Crucifix
National Review ^ | 07/14/2015 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 07/14/2015 5:15:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

For me both the cross and communism represent death which was conquered by Christ.


41 posted on 07/14/2015 5:54:59 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: miss marmelstein

But if the head of the Catholics be blind, the body is in danger of toppling into a ditch!


42 posted on 07/14/2015 5:56:44 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (No white, no black,no slave or free,just washed in the red that Messiah bled!)
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To: defconw
I hope your question is heartfelt.

Find a church that teaches the Bible. Typically the church will have a "What we believe" statement (usually on a website). The statement will say something like this:
We believe that the Bible is the verbally inspired Word of God, and that it is His revelation to man, inerrant in the original writings. We believe, therefore, that the Bible is the supreme and final authority in all matters of doctrine, faith, and life.

About God, the statement should say something like this:
God exists eternally in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The three have distinct personalities and yet are of the same substance, one God.

About Christ, the statement should say something like this:
The eternal Son of God became incarnate in the Lord Jesus Christ, being born of the virgin Mary, and is true God and true man. He died physically on the cross and was bodily resurrected three days later.

About the Holy Spirit:
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. He regenerates, indwells, baptizes, and seals all believers in Christ and empowers those yielded to God.

There should be a statement about man's sin condition and our need for a Savior.

This is a good statement about "salvation":
Salvation is given to those men chosen by God and drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit. The only means to their salvation is belief in Christ’s substitutionary death and resurrection.

. There will be more, but these are the bare essentials. There may be minor differences, some may object to minor details of this message to you. Don't bother with issues that are secondary.

The MAIN thing is that you have asked the essential first question, "Where should we go?"

May God Richly Bless you!

43 posted on 07/14/2015 5:57:42 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: bray
I respect that it works for you. I married into a family that has no Catholics in my immediate family although my husband has Catholic cousins. So I have been in these sort of Churches. With all do respect they just don't do it for me. Not that I criticize them. It's just not for me. Someone on here suggested Eastern Orthodox and that would probably be my decision if I were to leave.
44 posted on 07/14/2015 5:59:45 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: defconw

I mean what do you say when someone hands you something that hideous?

How about get thee behind me Satan, and cast that hideous monstrosity out a window into the Tiber? He’s the pope, what could they do to him?


45 posted on 07/14/2015 6:00:16 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (No white, no black,no slave or free,just washed in the red that Messiah bled!)
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To: bray

“Why do Conservatives stay in the Catholic church?”

Most Catholics I know are liberals.


46 posted on 07/14/2015 6:00:24 AM PDT by ryan71 (Bibles, Beans and Bullets)
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To: Claud

Interesting post.


47 posted on 07/14/2015 6:02:37 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: Raycpa

“For me both the cross and communism represent death which was conquered by Christ.”

I’m sure that a lot of people feel that way about the swastika, too, but you usually don’t see that juxtaposed with a cross.


48 posted on 07/14/2015 6:04:29 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day".)
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To: Theo

That is not what this is about.

A Communist dictator puts Jesus on a hammer and sickle, the symbol of Communism, to relate one of two messages:

1.The hammer and sickle has overpowered Jesus.

2.Jesus approves of the hammer and sickle and died for it.

The messenger here is as important as the message.

Morales was wearing a shirt with Che Guevara on it during the meeting with the Pope.

Honoring Jesus and His sacrifice was not the point of this gift.


49 posted on 07/14/2015 6:05:32 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Maybe the organized church is not the future of “the church” - as in the body of Christ.

It would seem the word ‘maybe’ is unnecessary in your statement...

...I have been telling my fellow Catholics (modernist drones, most of them...sorry, that’s what they are) that this lunatic is merely the precursor to an even more leftist regime that will send the RCC into theological oblivion...I know that prospect warms the cockles of many on this website, but nonetheless, I believe it to be true.

the Church of the 1960’s gave us homosexual seminaries, that gave us pervert clerics who amused themselves with teenage boys, along with their criminal bosses...that filth, far worse than influence peddling and corrupt politicking of the past, has rotted the Church beyond repair, and there need only be the leftist thrust spearheaded by this current idiot to complete the job...


50 posted on 07/14/2015 6:05:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: Claud

He’ll do for the Catholic Church what the Borgia & Medici papacies did: Lead to break-off movements.


51 posted on 07/14/2015 6:06:05 AM PDT by drpix
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To: ScottinVA

I know what they intended. But in reality, the depiction is pretty accurate — Christ crucified on an instrument of torture.

“Perversion of the cross” is quite the phrase. The cross is a shameful, horrible torture device. Yes, it’s also awesome, and glorious. But it was designed by the Romans to be gruesome. In a sense, God “perverted” the cross, by changing its original meaning as an object of defeat and hopelessness to a symbol of victory and hope.


52 posted on 07/14/2015 6:07:29 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: defconw

Where should we go?

find the nearest SSPX chapel...other than that the Church offers no alternatives...


53 posted on 07/14/2015 6:07:55 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (build)
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To: defconw
Where should we go?

The question of St. Peter himself.

No where else to go, but where He leads. His Church is not defined by one man's actions, not even the Pope. It's become increasingly clear to me that Pope Francis at least has leftist (political) sympathies. This doesn't concern me though; the Church survived many more worse Popes than he; it will continue on long after we are all dead.

"Thou hast the words of everlasting life".

54 posted on 07/14/2015 6:08:48 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: exit82

I know what the communist meant by giving that gift. But he may have inadvertently allowed a larger truth to be communicated: that communism is excruciating torture.


55 posted on 07/14/2015 6:09:03 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: exit82

well stated


56 posted on 07/14/2015 6:09:28 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who 4refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: mdmathis6
I think that priests are often overly polite. Perhaps they should say what they really think once in awhile?
57 posted on 07/14/2015 6:09:53 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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To: IrishBrigade
find the nearest SSPX chapel

Yep. run from your troubles right into the waiting arms of schismatics.

58 posted on 07/14/2015 6:09:58 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: defconw

I understand, it was just after 8 years Love your brother as yourself became a cliche. Now we are hearing the entire message.


59 posted on 07/14/2015 6:11:06 AM PDT by bray (Cruz to the White House)
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To: IrishBrigade
I believe there is one parish here in this area that would fit that bill. I will have to check it out.
60 posted on 07/14/2015 6:12:14 AM PDT by defconw (Fight all error, and do it with good humor, patience, kindness and love. -St. John Cantius)
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